Combat load

Pale Ryder said:

You could use the bandolier as a malay weapon on the survivors.

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Bullfrog said:

Did you mean melee weapon, or are you planning to fight in another language to confuse the attackers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melee_weapon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay

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Pale Ryder said:

You could use the bandolier as a malay weapon on the survivors.

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SCARCQB said:

My combat shotgun( Benelli m4)
Has 7 in the mag, 1 in the chamber, 1 ghostloaded on the lifter.

14 shells carried on a side saddle , 12 slugs on the sling. Plus 18 more buckshots on a plate carrier.

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Nnztg8r said:

...Gun bunny...

...Maybe I need to invest in a pack animal.

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E.Shell said:

Has anyone here ever used a shotgun to hunt upland birds, like quail, pheasant and/or grouse, or to hunt rabbits, without dogs?

"Without dogs", meaning without any forewarning of having to shoot well RFN?

I have, a LOT, and not the stupid, slow pen-raised birds one encounters on the managed shooting preserves, but wild birds that hide, run and fly for their very lives on a routine basis. Speed and mobility are what one needs to get on target when surprised by the flush. It is a split-second reaction time that sets one up for making a decent shot, and even when one is trying to stay ready, with an appropriately light gun, it can be hard to impossible to get on target before the target moves out of sight or out of range.

The shotgun of choice for this sort of reactionary hunting is a lighter-weight shotgun, often in 20 or 28 gauge to provide further speed and mobility. Even humping just a 6# gun, many birds are flushed without opportunity for a shot. If the bird had his own gun, he could have killed YOU.

Even for relatively stupid birds and bunnies, a light, fast gun and certain level of situational awareness are necessary for success.

Somehow though, a human threat is expected to set themselves up so we can wheel the gun around for a clear shot, PLUS, this threat is expected to be slow enough to let you go on and shoot at them with what has effectively become an ammo dump.

Many people seem to not recognize that, as an armed citizen, we will ALWAYS be on the reactionary side of the equation, meaning the adversary will have already taken the initiative. Most self-defense shootings are purely reactionary and my idea of being able to react effectively is having something light and fast enough to get on target IN TIME. I would personally prefer to have a few shots (if 8 IS "few") that can be used effectively vs 4 pounds of shotgun shells stuck all over the gun...shells that I will probably never live to fire.

I'm all about having extra ammo in general, and I have scads of shotgun shells, just not hanging all over the damn gun.

One 12 gauge 2-3/4" shotgun shell weighs about 2 ounces. This means that every 8 shells adds around a pound to the gun. An 870 starts at 7# and some variants go 8. We load an extended tube and now the gun is at least 8#, we add a side-saddle <spit> and now the gun is 9 pounds. A 25 shell bandolier will weigh over 3 pounds, but go ahead, and add that too, maybe a second side-saddle and we can have a 13# shotgun that is perfect for photo-ops, but nothing else.

Oddly enough, if someone suggested a buying 13# gun for home defense, they would be laughed at.

PLEASE, take your uber rig to a sporting clays range, skeet range (shoot 'international style') or to a three-gun match and show yourself the limitations and folly of these massive but decorative arrangements before you actually need it.

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outrider58 said:

Jeez. I think I'll start hunting with my Glock...

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willtill said:

That's it. I'm sawing my shotgun in half.

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outrider58 said:

Jeez. I think I'll start hunting with my Glock...

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shadow116 said:

You done it.....

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Nnztg8r said:

Remember that’s cutting it across NOT DOWN

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