Exactly the issue, then why are people teaching it?
"Two to the chest, one to the head" Really?
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Exactly the issue, then why are people teaching it?
As core curriculum?
I don't see anything wrong with playing with it out on the range to just switch things up.
I don't see anything wrong with playing with it out on the range to just switch things up.
Streetgang
OP4
On the civilian side? It's fun and make them feel tacticool.
Otherwise... You're on target...pardon the pun.
How about to get your student to think in the "Red"?
To overcome tunnel vision. To continue to process all available tactical information, data and clues, to make a decisions and respond, develop and terminate the situation with the correct amount of firepower, shock effect and violence. To continue the fight until they don't think the other guy is dead but they have totally convinced him that he is dead.
The Mozambique, like the Tueller drill or any drill, is not about teaching a set tactic or response but trying to teach the shooter to think, act and survive in any tactical encounter.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
I know Suarez gets alot of crap for his training but he does use Gas Airsoft to train force on force. Its better than paintball and not as painful or costly as simmunitions.
gmhowell
Not Banned Yet
What makes the Airsoft better? Shooting more like firearms? Guns shaped more like real firearms, or something else?
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
It simulates having someone shoot at you. With Airsoft you download the gun to a capacity similar to a real weapons capacity that you would carry. The guns slide operates, locks back, and all controls function as a live firearm would. Of course the velocity is different with a BB, and they dont kick as hard or are as loud but you get close as you can.
You have to draw from retention, get off the X, and fight without using a static shooting stance like many classes teach. Shooting in non optimal conditions is how many gunfights happen.
Dogabutila
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- Dec 21, 2010
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Airsoft is great and highly under utilized imo.
The only thing to watch for is to not use it TOO much. I have a super high cadence of fire with airsoft, but I can't do it in real life. Went to the range one day and I was like, OHYEARECOIL.
The only thing to watch for is to not use it TOO much. I have a super high cadence of fire with airsoft, but I can't do it in real life. Went to the range one day and I was like, OHYEARECOIL.
Airsoft-
Inexpensive
The ability to safely do contact shots unlike with Simmmuniton.
You can move 360 degrees
You can learn to draw as a reaction to the preparatory movement required for someone to draw a weapon on you.
You can recreate just about any situation that you could face in real life.
The list goes on- George
Inexpensive
The ability to safely do contact shots unlike with Simmmuniton.
You can move 360 degrees
You can learn to draw as a reaction to the preparatory movement required for someone to draw a weapon on you.
You can recreate just about any situation that you could face in real life.
The list goes on- George
Amen! That's why FoF is the only way to train, once you've mastered gun handling/shooting.
Gee, I kind of remember writing a doctoral dissertation that came to the same conclusion
There's another point that it is being missed, apparently, or, at the least, not being focused on. In many cases, if you find yourself in a gunfight, you already screwed up multiple times.
Force on force allows you to practice a multitude of skills that are more critical than shooting really fast. In reality, you can do FoF with a red/blue gun and say "bang" when you've made the decision to shoot. Certainly, shooting under stress with sims or airsoft is an added bonus.
Let's examine some of the things that FoF can let you practice (and this list is NOT all inclusive):
Situational awareness
Movement
Recognizing pre-assault indicators
Verbal skills
Defensive tactics skills
Stacking
Pieing
Cover and concealment
Thinking on your feet
Thinking outside the box
Controlling/harnessing adrenalin's effects
Developing and/or recognizing which of your skills have become reflexive, as opposed to reactive.
Etc.
The point is that going to a range and shooting at paper (or even humanoid) targets, especially when the trainer tells you who to shoot and how many times to shoot is NOT a fair indicator of your inter-personal combat skills.
Force on force allows you to practice a multitude of skills that are more critical than shooting really fast. In reality, you can do FoF with a red/blue gun and say "bang" when you've made the decision to shoot. Certainly, shooting under stress with sims or airsoft is an added bonus.
Let's examine some of the things that FoF can let you practice (and this list is NOT all inclusive):
Situational awareness
Movement
Recognizing pre-assault indicators
Verbal skills
Defensive tactics skills
Stacking
Pieing
Cover and concealment
Thinking on your feet
Thinking outside the box
Controlling/harnessing adrenalin's effects
Developing and/or recognizing which of your skills have become reflexive, as opposed to reactive.
Etc.
The point is that going to a range and shooting at paper (or even humanoid) targets, especially when the trainer tells you who to shoot and how many times to shoot is NOT a fair indicator of your inter-personal combat skills.
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