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Old February 8th, 2019, 07:07 PM #11
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When my Father gave me guns and I gave my kids guns and when my son gave his step-daughter a Savage Rascal, we never even thought about involving the state or their stupid bullshit rules.

Other than your kids/Grandkids I would imagine they would have to be 18 and not prohibited.
Here, here. Keep the damn government out of your business!

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Here, here. Keep the damn government out of your business!

My kids each have an Engage lower. Just need to build em. I’m a bit behind teratos but my kids are two years younger so there’s time.
I just built them recently. You’re good.
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I have to look it up, but one can gift a long gun to your children that are 16 and older. For under 16, only if they've successfully passed hunter's safety training.

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Looked it up. See exception (b)(4) near the top here ...

https://govt.westlaw.com/mdc/Documen...ta=(sc.Default)

or here ...

https://law.justia.com/codes/marylan.../section-4-104

In MD, children can't have access to firearms, and the state defines children as under the age of 16. An exception is given to children that have a certificate of hunter safety training.

Separately, I've read that the MD code restricts handgun possession to 21 years and older (I need to look this up to verify). I know that it restricts long gun purchases until 18 or older, and handgun purchases until 21 or older. Because there is a separate possession restriction on handguns until reaching 21 years of age, and not one for long guns, then the general exceptions for firearm access for children (linked above) pertains to long guns if I understand things correctly.
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Yeah, but purchasing, possessing, owning, gifting, transfering, and accessing are all defined by MD law.

I'm trying to definitely find the spot in the code that defines the minimum age to own a long gun.

What's the minimum age to own the long gun, but not have unsupervised access?
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Here's the antigun Gifford's center summary (search for "Maryland" on the page) ...

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-l...tate-by-state/

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Maryland also prohibits any person from selling, renting or transferring ammunition for a regulated firearm to a person under age 21, or any ammunition to a person under age 18. Maryland also prohibits the sale or transfer of a rifle or shotgun to a person under age 18.

However, there appears to be no minimum age to possess a rifle or shotgun in the state.
What they basically say is that it's not illegal. They also have citations to the MD code.

Eta: doubt that there is anything in the MD code that says it is illegal for a kid to own a firearm. This would prevent inheritance. Possession is what they are concerned about.
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Here's the antigun Gifford's center summary (search for "Maryland" on the page) ...

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-l...tate-by-state/



What they basically say is that it's not illegal. They also have citations to the MD code.
Yeah. That's the first thing that came up when I "Googled" the question. I was hoping to find it explicitly addressed in the code, but it appears that it's implicit.
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Here's the antigun Gifford's center summary (search for "Maryland" on the page) ...

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-l...tate-by-state/



What they basically say is that it's not illegal. They also have citations to the MD code.

Eta: doubt that there is anything in the MD code that says it is illegal for a kid to own a firearm. This would prevent inheritance. Possession is what they are concerned about.
There isn’t anything AFAIK. That age of 16 on long guns might be the best you can get. Unless they have adult supervision, they can’t possess under 16 (without a hunger safety certification).

If you are looking at something like trying to get them something before something is banned, good luck.

If they are 18 or older (21 for handguns) you/they are absolutely covered. Under that...legally dubious. The best you’ll get is testing something in court.

“You were too young to have owned that AR before it was banned”

I’d bet you could make that case that since it is an immediate family transfer MD law only bans SALES to those under the age of 18 for long guns. Since MD law specifically calls out that at 16 you can possess a long gun without adult supervision, doesn’t that mean they can own one?

I wouldn’t personally test it. I especially wouldn’t test under 16, even if they had a hunter’s Ed cert.
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I am loving the patriotism I'm seeing in this thread.
I will no longer comply with unconstitutional laws.
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I am loving the patriotism I'm seeing in this thread.
I will no longer comply with unconstitutional laws.
I don’t see a question of patriotism. The question is what does the law say. Not what is the moral answer. The moral answer is “are they conceived yet?”

The legal answer is there doesn’t appear to be one. Do you want to test it in court? That is really the only question. If you don’t, a legal adult is for sure good. Or get an opinion letter from the DA.

If you don’t mind testing it in court, whatever age you care to name. Maryland law doesn’t seem to say. All they state is the age of possession and age of sale. It is 21 for handguns and what were regulated guns (that are all now banned). 18 to buy and 16 to possess for long guns, unless you have a hunter safety certification.

I’d argue if you can possess them (without supervision) then you can own them.

The question wasn’t, “should I comply with an unconstitutional law or not”. It was what is the law. The law is...shrug. Best we can do is say what we know is fine and what might be okay and what is probably legally dubious. A 4 year old owning a gun is probably legally dubious, they can’t legally possess it unsupervised.
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