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Old February 8th, 2019, 11:05 PM #21
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Also, if you're ever interested in reading a good report that demonstrates that the US does NOT have the highest rate of mass shootings, etc., this is a good place to start:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3289010

The research paper is titled "Comparing the Global Rate of Mass Public Shootings to the U.S.’s Rate and Comparing Their Changes Over Time" and it's a good one to reference when discussing "mass shootings" to dispel myths about the US experience.
Yeah that's really good data. I've seen that in this article before which is one I like to send to people who believe that nonsense about mass shootings being a uniquely American problem.
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Old February 8th, 2019, 11:08 PM #22
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I'd think the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) data might be a good place to start.

Here's the main site: https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr
Here's the data for 2017 "Murder, by State, types of weapons": https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-20

For Maryland, the stats are:
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Total murders: 475
- Firearms: 370
- - Handguns: 339
- - Rifles: 5
- - Shotguns: 3
- - Firearms (type unknown): 23
- Knives or cutting instruments: 44
- Other weapons: 50
- Hands, fists, feet, etc.: 11

They of course don't break down the Rifles into type, but more people were killed by Hands, fists, and feet than were killed by rifles of any kind.

2016 data: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-12

To find data from other years

1) start here: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s
2) pick a year
3) click the "Crime in the U.S." link for the year you're interested in
4) click weapons under the "Expanded Offense Data" section
5) click on the table name next to Weapons at the top

Not all of the years reports follow this same format. They appear to have changed formats in 2007. The above steps are applicable to 2007-2017. The earlier reports you have to dig around in different spots for the data, but it's there.

There's data in here for other crimes that can be looked at from the perspective of whether there was a weapon used and what weapons were used. I think this murder data is pretty good to use in our fight though.
Thanks, that's very useful. I wonder if it's also possible to find data on the frequency of home defense shootings and the weapon type. It's arguable that banning the AR-15 is an overall detriment to public safety since the potential safety they afford in HD situations far outstrips any usage in violent crime.
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It is very logical to them - it's not about safety or public protection.
Of course not. It's about collecting fines and keeping the criminal lawyers and ASAs in business by manufacturing a new crop of unwitting criminals each year.

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Yeah that's really good data. I've seen that in this article before which is one I like to send to people who believe that nonsense about mass shootings being a uniquely American problem.
That's a good read, thanks for sharing it.
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I'd think the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) data might be a good place to start.

Here's the main site: https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr
Here's the data for 2017 "Murder, by State, types of weapons": https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-20

For Maryland, the stats are:
State Total
Total murders: 475
- Firearms: 370
- - Handguns: 339
- - Rifles: 5
- - Shotguns: 3
- - Firearms (type unknown): 23
- Knives or cutting instruments: 44
- Other weapons: 50
- Hands, fists, feet, etc.: 11

They of course don't break down the Rifles into type, but more people were killed by Hands, fists, and feet than were killed by rifles of any kind.

2016 data: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-12

To find data from other years

1) start here: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s
2) pick a year
3) click the "Crime in the U.S." link for the year you're interested in
4) click weapons under the "Expanded Offense Data" section
5) click on the table name next to Weapons at the top

Not all of the years reports follow this same format. They appear to have changed formats in 2007. The above steps are applicable to 2007-2017. The earlier reports you have to dig around in different spots for the data, but it's there.

There's data in here for other crimes that can be looked at from the perspective of whether there was a weapon used and what weapons were used. I think this murder data is pretty good to use in our fight though.
Let's break it down a little further

Baltimore City Population 611k
Maryland Population (subtracting Baltimore City) 5.5 million

2017 total murders 475
2017 Baltimore City murders 342

Math isn't my strong point but that leaves only 133 murders for the 5.5 million residents. Of the BC murders 299 were by firearms so that leaves 71 murders by firearm for the 5.5 million
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Let's break it down a little further

Baltimore City Population 611k
Maryland Population (subtracting Baltimore City) 5.5 million

2017 total murders 475
2017 Baltimore City murders 342

Math isn't my strong point but that leaves only 133 murders for the 5.5 million residents. Of the BC murders 299 were by firearms so that leaves 71 murders by firearm for the 5.5 million
yep.. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...st-pace-decade
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Let's break it down a little further

Baltimore City Population 611k
Maryland Population (subtracting Baltimore City) 5.5 million

2017 total murders 475
2017 Baltimore City murders 342

Math isn't my strong point but that leaves only 133 murders for the 5.5 million residents. Of the BC murders 299 were by firearms so that leaves 71 murders by firearm for the 5.5 million
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It is very logical to them - it's not about safety or public protection.
No, it's about Politician Protection.

All this gun control stuff took hold in 1968, when a few politicians were taken out by the disgruntled.

Your true-blue Political Animal cares about getting elected, and enjoying the profitable perks of money and power. The only concern they have for the citizenry is that they get the vote. How they get the vote is irrelevant. If they have to use fear, their actions in office will work toward increasing fear. Then they can scare you into voting for them.

That's why there's so little truth behind the legislation, and why bringing the truth to the GA is futile. They don't care about truth, they care about re-election. Political Theater makes up 95% of media info output.
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They don't care about truth, they care about re-election. Political Theater makes up 95% of media info output.
So how do we fight this?
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