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Old February 8th, 2019, 03:24 PM #11
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I'm going to write my legislators regarding the upcoming bills and argue that due to the extreme rarity of criminal shootings using rifles or AR-15s, the bills do not really pertain to public safety. Does anyone have a good source for hard data on how often these types of weapons are used for criminal activity in MD? Thanks.
The 1% quoted in a post is also the national figure but I've never seen it broken down by rifle. Try SAF or JPFO.

Your data will likely be ignored now but in my letters I've promised to contact them each year after legislation takes effect to review the new crime data and probable failures of their laws
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Unless I missed it, that report just lumps all firearms together for stats and doesn't break things down into what kind of firearm was used. Not super helpful in trying to point out the very low rates that long guns are used in crime.
They break out murders by weapon classification (handgun, knife, long gun, shotgun, etc.) Page 17 in the 2016 report has both 2015 and 2016 data included. 2015 is period one (p1,) and 2016 is period two (p2.)
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So here's a kicker, stats (from FBI UCR) on murder by handgun going back to 2005:

2005: 394
2006: 372
2007: 388
2008: 328
2009: 297
2010: 272
2011: 262
2012: 265
2013: 263
2014: 190
2015: 266
2016: 309
2017: 339

HQL sure helped keep Baltimore thugs from killing one another, no?

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They break out murders by weapon classification (handgun, knife, long gun, shotgun, etc.) Page 17 in the 2016 report has both 2015 and 2016 data included. 2015 is period one (p1,) and 2016 is period two (p2.)
So I did miss it - thanks for pointing out where to find it
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how can they even look at information like this and even begin to want to think about anything rifle related. It comes from a place of so little logic that you can't even argue against it. It would be like 2 smart people talking in different languages trying to make their point to one another.
It is very logical to them - it's not about safety or public protection.
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So I did miss it - thanks for pointing out where to find it
You bet!
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So here's a kicker, stats (from FBI UCR) on murder by handgun going back to 2005:

2005: 394
2006: 372
2007: 388
2008: 328
2009: 297
2010: 272
2011: 262
2012: 265
2013: 263
2014: 190
2015: 266
2016: 309
2017: 339

HQL sure helped keep Baltimore thugs from killing one another, no?
This. The promised benefits of the 2013 legislation were never realized. Crime and murder substantially increased following the passage of that legislation. If the legislators pass the LGQL, transfer and HBAR bans we will only get more of the same. Math and numbers don't lie. Do the legislators and legislative staff even read these reports??
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I'm going to write my legislators regarding the upcoming bills and argue that due to the extreme rarity of criminal shootings using rifles or AR-15s, the bills do not really pertain to public safety. Does anyone have a good source for hard data on how often these types of weapons are used for criminal activity in MD? Thanks.
Also, if you're ever interested in reading a good report that demonstrates that the US does NOT have the highest rate of mass shootings, etc., this is a good place to start:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3289010

The research paper is titled "Comparing the Global Rate of Mass Public Shootings to the U.S.ís Rate and Comparing Their Changes Over Time" and it's a good one to reference when discussing "mass shootings" to dispel myths about the US experience.
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Also, if you're ever interested in reading a good report that demonstrates that the US does NOT have the highest rate of mass shootings, etc., this is a good place to start:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3289010

The research paper is titled "Comparing the Global Rate of Mass Public Shootings to the U.S.ís Rate and Comparing Their Changes Over Time" and it's a good one to reference when discussing "mass shootings" to dispel myths about the US experience.
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It is very logical to them - it's not about safety or public protection.
Yep. It's about control.

It's about weakening the population to the point where those in power no longer have to consider them in decision-making. It's a step toward tyranny.
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