Why gun rallies are pointless

buellsfurn said:

If rallies and demonstration are so worthless why does dc, balt news stations pay for reporters to covers these stories ? We time wasting demonstrators keep making front page stories radio talk shows and TV news.

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trailman said:

I wrote on this a while back, last year I think, do you have any idea just how BAD the optics are on this? Anti 2A groups pitch you guys as armed revolutionaries and Jesus Christ you’re showing up in kit.

Want a better way of doing things? How about this. MANDATORY banning of all camo, slogan shirts, cold dead hands ball caps and hats at ANY rally.

Dress standard, shirt (ironed), a tie, get a clip on if you have to. Shave, ditch the ZZ top beard or stay home. Non-descriptive everyday business/casual jacket.

You dress like a normal person that you are supposed to be and what 80% of the general public, you know the "people you are trying to convince to some to your side" THINK is a normal person. They see the Anti’s dancing around with pink ***** hats on what do you think they think of your airsoft gear?

ID each other; so everyone can wear a "blank" blaze orange ball cap. It stands out in pictures to show numbers, hell carry and extra just to wave around, it makes the press pictures look better, more people. Get better sloganeering, ditch the don’t tread on me shit and go with something like “I’m responsible for my own life, let me be”. At least that would open up a dialog with a semi-intelligent reporter for a meaningful dialog and not visual window dressing on a news article.

Arm everyone with one of these, they are cheap and the bomb. Have several people with them to film the anti’s getting in your face. ANTIFA films EVERYTHING for use as propaganda.

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Find someone willing to take the hits. Yeah you heard me someone volunteers to get beat up, it’s easy to incite a nutcase to go over the edge, let them take some hits, get it on tape and get them out WITHOUT retaliation. Look!! Film at 11, crazy anti-gun demonstrator beats up nice looking gentleman Joe the plumber out trying to speak about his freedoms. BTW wear a cup.

Options. Do something different, even leaving the state is an action. I’ve been here since 1990 and oh those rally’s have done so much. Yes we have lost less each year tell me what has been gained.

Lastly want to ding Kit, you don’t know WTF you’re talking about then as she runs in a rare crowd.

Fire away, you’ve been doing well so far.

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Rack&Roll said:

Below, a couple of pictures to illustrate the value of trusting the person on either side of you.

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Rack&Roll said:

Let me help you understand the difference.

In both Bundy-lead events—at the ranch and at Malheur—a call went out across the country for support. You get what you get.

The Patriot Picket draws on longtime members here, who we then often meet at rallies or other low-level events where security is not an issue (such as our excursions to the sidewalk adjacent to Lawyer’s Mall where there we don’t encounter resistance from the public).

When we go to where we expect resistance and abuse, only our veteran folks make the trip. Low-post new MDS people are asked to join the tamer hometown sidewalk picketing first so we can size them up.

Even for the low-temp sidewalk events, I just turned away a guy who says being on MDS as a member is too much trouble, but that he knows about us by lurking.

Nope, sorry. If you think signing on is “too much trouble” then find other 2A activities but being in our planning/execution loop is not one of them.

But thanks for thinking of us.

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danb said:

Because there always the possibility of imminent violence and they want to bring it to you live. The bigger the spectacle, the more people tune in. More live breaking news right after these messages.

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Schipperke said:

The funniest protest/demonstration in recent memory was Occupy Wall Street. Those folks were so close to killing Capitalism, oh sigh.. The spectacle the day after inauguration with walking Vaginas was unique. I guess now the 2A mantra is Camo, BDU's, open carry and blow out kits. I can see public opinion latch on to that.

The entire Bundy scenario, what did that accomplish? The native Americans protests which got violent many days fighting Dakota pipeline going through property didn't convince the courts . I'm not sure what the attraction is craving media attention when they control the narrative, and mainstream typically reports on any conservative leaning rally as white supremacists, and when it come to 2A, note the total lack of diversity of protestors then come up with this.

Always enjoy the fallacy that any opinion dismissing the efficacy of X requires an alternative. It's like showing a contractor a deficiency in construction and his answer "could you do it any better"? I think doctors should use that excuse when they get sued for malpractice. The Russians and our own astute Leftists understand controlling and scripting social media is the ticket now. If people enjoy holding signs, picketing, demonstrating it's all good if it makes them happy. My sense is demonstrations are more of a like minded catharsis event, which again isn't a bad thing. Many worse ways to kill time.

This is a few years old, but a good read https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/04/why-street-protests-dont-work/360264/

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There is a powerful political engine running in the streets of many cities. It turns at high speed and produces a lot of political energy. But the engine is not connected to wheels, and so the “movement” doesn’t move. Achieving that motion requires organizations capable of old-fashioned and permanent political work that can leverage street demonstrations into political change and policy reforms. In most cases, that means political parties.

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Trailman:

In today’s world, an appeal to protest via Twitter, Facebook, or text message is sure to attract a crowd, especially if it is to demonstrate against something—anything, really—that outrages us. The problem is what happens after the march. Sometimes it ends in violent confrontation with the police, and more often than not it simply fizzles out.

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Behind massive street demonstrations there is rarely a well-oiled and more-permanent organization capable of following up on protesters’ demands and undertaking the complex, face-to-face, and dull political work that produces real change in government.

This is the important point made by Zeynep Tufekci, a fellow at the Center for Information Technology Policy at Princeton University, who writes that “Before the Internet, the tedious work of organizing that was required to circumvent censorship or to organize a protest also helped build infrastructure for decision making and strategies for sustaining momentum. Now movements can rush past that step, often to their own detriment.”


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There is a powerful political engine running in the streets of many cities. It turns at high speed and produces a lot of political energy. But the engine is not connected to wheels, and so the “movement” doesn’t move. Achieving that motion requires organizations capable of old-fashioned and permanent political work that can leverage street demonstrations into political change and policy reforms. In most cases, that means political parties.

But it doesn’t necessarily mean existing parties that demonstrators don’t trust to be change agents.

Great quote "Clicktivism and slacktivism create a feel-good illusion that undermines the activism that effects change." I'm gonna steal that, clicktivism.

The problem is we didn't get here overnight but everyone thinks we can get back by tomorrow.
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Trailman Calls A Meeting Away From The Keyboard To Oppose Leftist Attacks On Our Rights:


Time for committed activism (not Clickitivism or Slackivism), which means meeting in person to work to protect 2nd Amendment Rights in Maryland. Our activism will be based on the ideas I have outlined in this thread. Please wear business casual.

The location for our meeting is __________________, on ______________,2018 and will start at

_____________ and run for _____ hour(s).

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buellsfurn said:

www.full30.com HICKOK45: 2nd Amendment Rallies: Full length video on YouTube.

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