legality of home defense with firearm

DaytonaGreg · Jun 23, 2020

Blaster229 said:
That's a ridiculous fvcking fake statement. No one would say that.
My point is that "fear" is not a requirement to satisfy justification.

You must not be an attorney.

Blaster229 · Jun 23, 2020

DaytonaGreg said:
You must not be an attorney.

I don't have to be afraid of someone attacking me with a knife in order to use lethal force. I know what could happen.

What you're saying is that if I wasn't afraid I should just stand there and get sliced open?

You must not be a confidently trained shooter.

chilipeppermaniac · Jun 25, 2020

After reading through this thread a few days ago and knowing the most prudent advice given is to be prepared with a lawyer. I can not reply without agreeing we who will be made out to be the wrongdoer, absolutely need lawyers. We also would be well served to listen to what Massaad Ayoob has to say on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTs-ZKxS9SA

JohnnyE · Jun 25, 2020

Are we debating whether there is a difference between saying "I was afraid he was going to kill me" versus "I thought he was going to kill me"?

shadow116 · Jun 25, 2020

JohnnyE said:
Are we debating whether there is a difference between saying "I was afraid he was going to kill me" versus "I thought he was going to kill me"?

Without synonym arguments, MDS would probably have half the current posts. :lol2:

rbird7282 · Jun 25, 2020

EDA98 said:
If you can, have someone else make the 911 call, a spouse or whomever. be as clear and concise as possible without giving any info that could hurt you. Ideally have them call while you interact with the intruder that way they only have to say "there is an intruder in my home, I am unsafe and afraid for my life" or something similar. when the police arrive say the same thing. there was an intruder and i was afraid for my life and I want a lawyer. and obviously make sure whatever weapon was used has been made safe and is no longer on your person.

No, when the police arrive the only words out of your mouth should be “I won’t be speaking with you until my attorney is present”
NOTHING ELSE.

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TheOriginalMexicanBob · Jun 25, 2020

rbird7282 said:
No, when the police arrive the only words out of your mouth should be “I won’t be speaking with you until my attorney is present”
NOTHING ELSE.

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^^^^THIS!^^^^

HankR · Jun 25, 2020

Skipjacks said:
Wait until they are in the house.

And no matter what you "were in imminent fear of your life"

Before the cops get there, drag the body to North Dakota and say it happened there?

Skipjacks · Jun 25, 2020

HankR said:
Before the cops get there, drag the body to North Dakota and say it happened there?

Modern problems require modern solutions

teratos · Jun 25, 2020

Also, there will be only one story regarding the events that took place. Be careful how you tell it.

K31 · Jun 25, 2020

Glaron said:
Easy. Just shoot the cocktail in their hand it will blowup covers them in flames...

Thank you, Vice President Biden.

wingsfan · Jun 27, 2020

There is no silver bullet, there are no "special words" that you need to tell the police when they arrive. Protecting your life or the lives of your family is the same whether or not you are home or not. If your life or someone else's is in immediate danger, deadly force CAN be used. I'm not saying there are never any other options. Sometimes maybe it's better to just get out of the situation, the house or wherever you find yourself. You have no "duty" to retreat in your own home, but it maybe a better option depending on the situation. You want a cut and dried answer when it comes to using deadly force. They don't exist. Each situation is different and people are different. One thing is certain, if you use deadly force, justified or not, you and your family will go through a living hell of dealing with police, attorney's, media, courts and public opinion. Think about this, before the incident. If you have already decided you can take a life to save another and if deadly force is your option, then go all out and end the threat. If not, don't half ass it, find another solution.

Blaster229 · Jun 28, 2020

So, what people don't realize when someone says "don't talk to the cops", that day you would have spoken to the cops 3 times
911
Responding officers
Homicide investigator

Don't have someone else call 911. Their words will be used against you in court. Wife or not.

Even in a good shoot, your loved ones would be shocked at seeing that. Do you know what "OMG! HE JUST SHOT HIM!!" on that 911 recording sounds like to a 3rd person? Sounds like a murder just happened.

Me? I'm getting my initial call out, putting it on speaker, and dropping it on the floor.
Evidence will speak for itself without me or a loved one gumming it up by giving a play by play Q&A with 911.
Plus tactically, handling a weapon while on the phone is a no no.

My second call will be to CCWSafe. Everyone should have some coverage.

willtill · Jun 28, 2020

Blaster229 said:
So, what people don't realize when someone says "don't talk to the cops", that day you would have spoken to the cops 3 times
911
Responding officers
Homicide investigator

Don't have someone else call 911. Their words will be used against you in court. Wife or not.

Even in a good shoot, your loved ones would be shocked at seeing that. Do you know what "OMG! HE JUST SHOT HIM!!" on that 911 recording sounds like to a 3rd person? Sounds like a murder just happened.

Me? I'm getting my initial call out, putting it on speaker, and dropping it on the floor.
Evidence will speak for itself without me or a loved one gumming it up by giving a play by play Q&A with 911.
Plus tactically, handling a weapon while on the phone is a no no.

My second call will be to CCWSafe. Everyone should have some coverage.

Noted.

rseymorejr · Jun 28, 2020

Blaster229 said:
Don't have someone else call 911. Their words will be used against you in court. Wife or not.

Even in a good shoot, your loved ones would be shocked at seeing that. Do you know what "OMG! HE JUST SHOT HIM!!" on that 911 recording sounds like to a 3rd person? Sounds like a murder just happened.

I read through this entire thread. A lot of the opinions and tactics I've heard before. This is the first time I've heard this about calling 911. It makes sense but it's not something I would have considered. Thanks for sharing this.

John from MD · Jun 28, 2020

rseymorejr said:
I read through this entire thread. A lot of the opinions and tactics I've heard before. This is the first time I've heard this about calling 911. It makes sense but it's not something I would have considered. Thanks for sharing this.

Really? What were you going to after stiffing the dude, put him out in the trash? :lol:

Surt · Jun 28, 2020

I'm always appreciative of how rule-conforming your typical Maryland gun-owner always seems to be, even in the face of unconstitutional and oppressive legislation.

GTOGUNNER · Jun 28, 2020

I am not reading all the replies as Dwelling is also curtilige which means a bunch more than your house. Don't be afraid to protect yourself. Just do it. Duty to retreat is relative. Don't talk to police if you have to defend yourself until YOU want to.

Occam · Jun 28, 2020

Surt said:
I'm always appreciative of how rule-conforming your typical Maryland gun-owner always seems to be, even in the face of unconstitutional and oppressive legislation.

Usually it has to do with NOT wanting all the extra new rules that come with living in a prison.

outrider58 · Jun 28, 2020

John from MD said:
Really? What were you going to after stiffing the dude, put him out in the trash?

The ol' SSS :secret:

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