New Assault Gun Ban Introduced

lazarus · Nov 8, 2017

vette97 said:
Can't wait to see Feinstein holding one of these up for the press.

Wait? Who sells that? Because now I have a burning desire to mount a chain saw bayonet on a rifle.

DC-W · Nov 8, 2017

sajidakh said:
We have to keep in mind though that the defense to that statistic is that far more people have acess to and use step ladders and swimming pools than to firearms. So in essence its the proportion that matters moreso than the deaths.

At minimum, there's a gun in at least 1 in 3 American homes, nationwide. Pew has a poll that claims 44% of homes have at least 1 gun in them.

How many have swimming pools in their back yards?

I daresay that firearms are more common than bodies of water to swim in across the country.

lazarus · Nov 8, 2017

TheTruth said:
Actually - I feel sorry for you. Read this:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pu...eases?id=8B3E8400-766E-4B5E-B59B-C800BB52A973

My heart really bleed for the victims. On the other hand, you are taking less than a thousand people killed in mass shootings over something like a couple of decades, out of 300 million citizens in this country.

We are going to screw everyone’s rights because of a few mass shootings a year, as tragic as they are? In the same time period more than half a million people died in car accidents.

boss281 · Nov 8, 2017

lazarus said:
My heart really bleed for the victims. On the other hand, you are taking less than a thousand people killed in mass shootings over something like a couple of decades, out of 300 million citizens in this country.

We are going to screw everyone’s rights because of a few mass shootings a year, as tragic as they are? In the same time period more than half a million people died in car accidents.

33000 firearms related deaths every year. Ok. Let's not even bother to compare that to other forms of death that far exceed these numbers but don't get the same media attention, and thus, the attention of the people that think they pass laws that make sense.

Of the 33000, there are three major groups of victims.

The largest group is death by firearms for suicide. This is a mental health issue. Solve the problem.

The next largest group is urban youth. This is an environmental, educational and cultural issue. So solve the problem(s).

The third major group is domestic violence related. This too, is a multidimensional issue. But a solvable problem.

Less than 0.1% of firearms related deaths are mass shootings each year. By bump stocks, off the charts (because it's so small).

Because our legislatures can't fire off neurons in the brain, they want to spend time, money and effort on the 0.1% of the problem or worse (such as bump stocks) in order to preserve the next election, and "feel good" about themselves, and spread that "feel good" to constituents.

In other words, the world as we know it is absolutely bat sh!t crazy.

You can NOT fight bat sh!t crazy with logic, statistics and reasoning. We must find another way to get this to sink in, but the current approach of waving the 2a flag is just not getting heard across the aisle--people can not connect the RIGHT to bear arms with putting heads together to solve problems that aren't firearm issues (they are issues of violence, no matter what the tool used). I don't know the answer, but it's our responsibility to solve THAT problem.

Stumped...

iH8DemLibz · Nov 8, 2017

The problems you would like to solve would turn Ignorant Democrats in to Informed Republicans.

No way on God's little green acres will this happen.

The Left needs dumb people. Dumb people they will have.

Jim12 · Nov 8, 2017

lazarus said:
My heart really bleed for the victims. On the other hand, you are taking less than a thousand people killed in mass shootings over something like a couple of decades, out of 300 million citizens in this country.

We are going to screw everyone’s rights because of a few mass shootings a year, as tragic as they are? In the same time period more than half a million people died in car accidents.

How many died from opioid overdoses last year? Over 30,000 iirc. Mass shootings don't hold a candle to that.

TheTruth · Nov 8, 2017

lazarus said:
My heart really bleed for the victims. On the other hand, you are taking less than a thousand people killed in mass shootings over something like a couple of decades, out of 300 million citizens in this country.

We are going to screw everyone’s rights because of a few mass shootings a year, as tragic as they are? In the same time period more than half a million people died in car accidents.

Dude - put down whatever you are smoking if you think for a single second that I am in support of any type, shape or form of gun ban or supporting this feel good rubbish of a bill. Go tell it to the (D)s who sponsored this at the federal level. My point was addressed at someone who thought this was a Maryland only problem who didn't know that Cardiac and Van Horror are gun grabbing FEDERAL US senators and not MD legislature state senators. If such law was enacted, he "shouldn't feel sorry for you Marylanders" because it would affect honest gun owners in 49 other states ... including folks from Virginia (who are gloating) that they think this is isn't their problem.

sgt23preston · Nov 9, 2017

SKIP said:
Both our state senators are proposing a ban on assault weapons.
Those in the hands of Marylanders will be able to keep them.
The scramble begins and prices to soar.

Old President Whatshisface would still need to sign the Bill if it passed...

ThunderStick · Nov 9, 2017

EVERY rifle is an assault rifle...... including the smooth bore flintlock muskets that were used to win the revolutionary war!!!
:mad54:

Threeband · Nov 9, 2017

Be careful using the Buzzword "Mass Shooting."

The propaganda masters are using their own special definition of "mass shooting" intended to inflate the numbers wildly by mixing large numbers of gang and criminal shootings together with a tiny number of nut-job shootings. They will even include some police shootings.

I believe they lump together any incident in which four people are hit by gunfire, including the shooter. The overwhelming number of these "mass shootings" are criminals and gang bangers doing their criminal or gang-related thing.

When a drug dealer does a drive by on another dealer's "crib," hitting several people with stray rounds, that is lumped right in with the San Bernardino terrorist attack and the Texas church massacre.

These are three wildly different incidents, with totally different motivations and circumstances and thus call for different preventative measures. Lumping them together actually obscures understanding and makes prevention more difficult. But the Progo Propagandists don't want to solve these three different problems. They want to exploit them in their own grab for totalitarian control.

The left manipulates words to advance their totalitarian agenda. We should be careful about using their buzzwords.

Doctor_M · Nov 9, 2017

Newspeak.

Orwell was very prophetic.

Uncle Duke · Nov 9, 2017

boss281 said:
33000 firearms related deaths every year. Ok. Let's not even bother to compare that to other forms of death that far exceed these numbers but don't get the same media attention, and thus, the attention of the people that think they pass laws that make sense.

Of the 33000, there are three major groups of victims.

The largest group is death by firearms for suicide. This is a mental health issue. Solve the problem.

The next largest group is urban youth. This is an environmental, educational and cultural issue. So solve the problem(s).

The third major group is domestic violence related. This too, is a multidimensional issue. But a solvable problem.

Less than 0.1% of firearms related deaths are mass shootings each year. By bump stocks, off the charts (because it's so small).

Because our legislatures can't fire off neurons in the brain, they want to spend time, money and effort on the 0.1% of the problem or worse (such as bump stocks) in order to preserve the next election, and "feel good" about themselves, and spread that "feel good" to constituents.

In other words, the world as we know it is absolutely bat sh!t crazy.

You can NOT fight bat sh!t crazy with logic, statistics and reasoning. We must find another way to get this to sink in, but the current approach of waving the 2a flag is just not getting heard across the aisle--people can not connect the RIGHT to bear arms with putting heads together to solve problems that aren't firearm issues (they are issues of violence, no matter what the tool used). I don't know the answer, but it's our responsibility to solve THAT problem.

Stumped...

Stumped, I have to respectfully note that it's critically important I believe, to begin with a realization that these problems will NEVER be solved. They can be mitigated perhaps. They can be lessened perhaps. But they cannot be solved. These problems and more are as old as humanity itself. The distinction between one's desire to solve and solvability is important IMO, because the latter illusion is the erroneous foundation upon which many and most of the arguments against firearms arise. And by extension, and given an erroneous foundation, the arguments themselves are by definition equally invalid. I would LOVE to see a politician with the stones to stand up and publically acknowledge this reality. It's indeed a very unpleasant reality to anyone with a soul or a conscience. But it's a reality nonetheless. We do indeed live in an oftentimes dangerous and always imperfect world.

It further follows that if completely "eliminating" the undesirable problems is an impossibility, then it becomes incumbent upon leadership to allow and indeed to ideally encourage the correctness of availing to one's self when and where possible, the means of having at least a chance of protecting ones self and others. Or at the very least, and if any such politician lacks the courage, and acknowledgement isn't forthcoming, then at least have the common decency to stand aside from being in another man's way.

boss281 · Nov 9, 2017

Uncle Duke said:
Stumped, I have to respectfully note that it's critically important I believe, to begin with a realization that these problems will NEVER be solved. They can be mitigated perhaps. They can be lessened perhaps. But they cannot be solved. These problems and more are as old as humanity itself. The distinction between one's desire to solve and solvability is important IMO, because the latter illusion is the erroneous foundation upon which many and most of the arguments against firearms arise. And by extension. and given an erroneous foundation, the arguments themselves are by definition equally invalid. I would LOVE to see a politician with the stones to stand up and publically acknowledge this reality. It's indeed a very unpleasant reality to anyone with a soul or a conscience. But it's a reality nonetheless. We do indeed live in an oftentimes dangerous and always imperfect world.

It further follows that if completely "eliminating" the undesirable problems is an impossibility, then it becomes incumbent upon leadership to allow and indeed to ideally encourage the correctness of availing to one's self when and where possible, the means of having at least a chance of protecting ones self and others. Or at the very least, and if such public political lacks the courage, and acknowledgement isn't forthcoming, then at least have to common decency to stand aside from being in another man's way.

You make a good point, and frankly I should have used the word "mitigate", as you suggest. But i stand by point: the current approach to us vs them has lead everyone to a shaky stalemate, and other approaches to gaining ground in the fight are needed. I want to emphasize i want to GAIN ground, not just simply hold what we have. I suggest refocusing on the real issues, the 33000, and a return to evidence based problem solving/mitigation techniques is warranted. "The other side" simply doesn't hear anything any more. The mere mention of 2A just isn't heard. Think of it as a national approach to Getting to Yes (by Roger Fisher). ymmv...

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5cary · Nov 9, 2017

SKIP said:
Both our state senators are proposing a ban on assault weapons.
Those in the hands of Marylanders will be able to keep them.
The scramble begins and prices to soar.

To me, this is the most insidious part of any gun grab. Too many people (and I'm NOT specifically talking about MDS members) are seemingly placated by "grandfather clauses" that allow them to keep theirs.

Death by a thousand cuts has already been mentioned. Death by attrition is another way of putting it. The end game here is no legal ownership within two generations (40 or 50 years). Our rights are slowly bleeding away. The frog is starting to get uncomfortably hot.

snakep · Nov 9, 2017

Doctor_M said:
Newspeak.

Orwell was very prophetic.

Too true. Newspeak was Orwell's attempt to describe how a government that creates words or a language can more easily control the minds of its citizens...the libs do this pretty well, don't you think?

eruby · Nov 9, 2017

snakep said:
Too true. Newspeak was Orwell's attempt to describe how a government that creates words or a language can more easily control the minds of its citizens...the libs do this pretty well, don't you think?

rob · Nov 9, 2017

boss281 said:
You make a good point, and frankly I should have used the word "mitigate", as you suggest. But i stand by point: the current approach to us vs them has lead everyone to a shaky stalemate, and other approaches to gaining ground in the fight are needed. I want to emphasize i want to GAIN ground, not just simply hold what we have. I suggest refocusing on the real issues, the 33000, and a return to evidence based problem solving/mitigation techniques is warranted. "The other side" simply doesn't hear anything any more. The mere mention of 2A just isn't heard. Think of it as a national approach to Getting to Yes (by Roger Fisher). ymmv...

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You're close. The other side hears what it wants to hear. It fails to think and refuses to use facts and logic. It's beliefs are all based on 'feelings' and emotion pumped up by those liberal socialists who don't trust the people they rule and desire to control them and by extension, us.

We need to find a way to use feelings and emotion that can resonate with people against liberals. A great exampIe of was the election. That was one of hillary's biggest mistakes. She gave trump an emotional angle that resonated with most people, "deplorable". He rode that wave to the Whitehouse.

Rob.

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5cary · Nov 9, 2017

vette97 said:
Can't wait to see Feinstein holding one of these up for the press.

Just wait 'til they find out this is possible.

MigraineMan · Nov 9, 2017

Doctor_M said:
Newspeak.

Also, news-speak.

Orwell was very prophetic.

Indeed. But I don't believe his intent was to write a "how to" manual.

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