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  • Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
    22,154
    Half the 265 million guns (IMHO a way under estimated number) are owned by 3% of the gun owners according to the paragon of gun reporting media Time:
    http://time.com/4499088/guns-us-super-owners-report/

    That leaves 132 million available for the rest of the households, which is plenty to go around. If household ownership by non "Super Owners" is at 50% that means 61 million households own an average of more than two guns each.
    This graph shows the number of households in the United States from 1960 to 2016. In 2016, there were about 125.82 million households in the United States.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/183635/number-of-households-in-the-us/

    By the way the Time article is cherry picked data based on a Guardian article:
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/19/us-gun-ownership-survey

    The Guardian was reporting on an unpublished and yet to be peer reviewed survey by some other paragons of "unbiased" gun reporting:
    The unpublished Harvard/Northeastern survey result summary, obtained exclusively by the Guardian and the Trace, estimates that America’s gun stock has increased by 70m guns since 1994. At the same time, the percentage of Americans who own guns decreased slightly from 25% to 22%.

    The study it's self was a survey of:
    The Harvard/Northeastern study is based on a survey of nearly 4,000 Americans conducted online in 2015 by a market research company, GfK, with a nationally representative panel of opt-in participants who are compensated to complete surveys on a variety of issues.

    The link to the guardian article is actually a good read that makes many of the points brought up in this thread.

    Edit: One of the survey authors is Matthew Jason Miller, here is his Curriculum Vitae:
    https://bouve.northeastern.edu/assets/uploads/2014/10/CV_MILLER_MATT_051515mjmshort.pdf

    I notice he took a $480,000 grant from the Joyce Foundation, Preventing firearm violence.
     
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    Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
    22,154
    The number of NICS background checks from when it started in November 1998 through October 2017 was 273,483,454. Not every check results in a gun sold but some sources estimate there have been a 70,000,000 increase in the stock of guns in the US since 1994. That would average to just under 4 NICS checks for each gun added. However according to a report from NPR reporting ATF numbers it said that in 2013 10,900,000 firearms of all types were produced in the US of those 400,000 were exported so of the 10,500,000 that remained that year there were a total of 21,093,273 NICS checks done or 2 NICS checks per gun. In the last full year of reporting there were 27,538,673 NICS checks so at 4 checks per gun that means we are adding 6,884,668 new guns to the US inventory each year and at two checks per gun we are adding 13,769,336 new guns to the inventory meanwhile the number of firearm homicides is going down according to FBI data from 2010 through 2014.

    No wonder the liberals are panicking.

    Link to NICS numbers:
    https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view
    Link to FBI homicides rate:
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls
    Link to NPR article:
    https://www.npr.org/2016/01/05/462017461/guns-in-america-by-the-numbers
    Link to ATF report on Firearm Commerce (some interesting numbers here):
    https://www.atf.gov/file/89561/download
     

    Bob A

    όυ φροντισ
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    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    30,687
    Bear in mind that there's a difference between guns produced and those actually sold. Many of the recently-produced firearms are still in mfr/dealer inventory.
     

    bibitor

    Kulak
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 10, 2017
    1,894
    FEMA Region III
    Re-education camp.

    I think I read about that in school once. Are they still teaching Orwell, or has Ray Bradbury's dystopia caught-up to him?
     

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    Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
    22,154
    Bear in mind that there's a difference between guns produced and those actually sold. Many of the recently-produced firearms are still in mfr/dealer inventory.

    They must have some pretty big warehouses.

    Compiled from "Firearms Commerce in the United States Annual Statistical Update 2017" from United States Department of Justice Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
    https://www.atf.gov/resource-center...tates-annual-statistical-update-2017/download

    From 1986 - 2015

    Total Firearms Manufactured 143,642,781
    Less Total Firearms Exported 8,433,693
    Plus Total firearms Imported 63,198,884

    Net gain 1986-2015 198,407,972

    The rates of manufacturing and imports have been increasing in recent years. The latest complete year report for 2015 shows:
    Manufactured 9,358,661
    Exports 343,456
    Imports 5,137,771


    I think we have reached a tipping point people have decided they need a firearm, have discovered the enjoyment, and are buying more. The Anti's can see their dreams of eliminating guns slipping through their fingers because to many people are owning and enjoying firearms.:D

    Additional information:
    US Population 1986 - 240.1 million
    US Population 2015 - 320.9 million

    NICS checks (first full year of operation) 1999 - 9,138,123
    NICS checks 2015 - 23,141,970
     

    dink

    Member
    Mar 30, 2014
    63
    I think we have ample evidence of how good polls are....not to mention this is 2013 "data"
     

    Tomcat

    Formerly Known As HITWTOM
    May 7, 2012
    5,568
    St.Mary's County
    I know this is an old thread but what caught my attention was where they are talking about "Social Gun Culture" If I'm reading that right would that be gun clubs etc? then the worrisome part
    Gun cultures may need to be
    considered for public health strategies that aim to
    change gun ownership in the USA.
     

    rascal

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 15, 2013
    1,253
    this just shows you how bad peer reviewed work has gotten, and how anything can pass for peer review. There is no consistency in how they are determining the number.

    The sampled size in DC in their own notes is NOT a factor of the 29.5%! Not even close. Several of the other sample sizes also have this problem.

    Also for DC at the the supposed data collection time DC had a 3% gun ownership according to the MPD numbers (of gun owners, not net guns), meaning more than 25% of DC total population, or given their own numbers on gender, 45% of its male population, were gun criminals.

    Anyway this is the state of "Science" today. Any of fit touching on public policy is virtually all adovacy work, junk science. amazing that this nonsense is peer reviwed.
     

    rascal

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 15, 2013
    1,253
    I know this is an old thread but what caught my attention was where they are talking about "Social Gun Culture" If I'm reading that right would that be gun clubs etc? then the worrisome part
    Gun clubs hunters and armed gang members all bunched together in that metric
     

    1911msc

    Member
    May 12, 2020
    18
    North San Diego
    Congresscriter Mad Maxine Waters is sponsered by two of the most famous gun rights groups in her South Central LA district. These groups are the Cripps and the Bloods.
     

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