HB0004 Rifles and Shotguns - Secondary Transactions

PowPow · Feb 6, 2020

teratos said:
Common sense bedsheet control we can all get behind.

Sleeping in the wrong bedsheets can get you up to 5 years and up to $10,000 fine!! That's cheaper than a divorce.

Stoveman · Feb 7, 2020

Can't believe nobody has shared this yet, Sen Hough completely destroys Sen Lee when she introduced the bill. The last minute is especially good when Lee shows how little she knows. I'm sure she's a nice person, just not real bright.

Stoveman · Feb 7, 2020

And next to take a whack at the Dim Bulb Pinata was Sen Ready.

Bob A · Feb 7, 2020

Senator Lee cannot imagine that having every long gun transfer going through an FFL would be burdensome.

Really?

Apparently she had an imaginectomy performed at Johns Bloomberg Hospital; probably severe head trauma from being beaten with heavy sacks of campaign contributions necessitated the emergency surgery.

rbird7282 · Feb 7, 2020

PowPow said:
I'm not sure this new bill (HB1104) up today in the house deserves a thread of its own just yet. When I saw who was listed as the sponsor, Del. Lopez, I chuckled. She is a dingbat.

So now we need a bill to define what the word transfer means. Jesus. These people have lost their fricking minds

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Kicken Wing · Feb 8, 2020

Stoveman said:
Can't believe nobody has shared this yet, Sen Hough completely destroys Sen Lee when she introduced the bill. The last minute is especially good when Lee shows how little she knows. I'm sure she's a nice person, just not real bright.

It was a thing of beauty. She is not real bright in terms of firearms, that's for sure. Her panel of "experts" that she claimed would be able to fill in her blanks had nothing of substance to offer either. There is that one expert on the far left of the MDA panel that was brilliant!

ohen cepel · Feb 8, 2020

Feelings, nothing more than feelings................(sung in my best Kermit the Frog voice).

How do these morons get elected? Yes, I know, its a dem state.

pcfixer · Feb 8, 2020

Bob A said:
Senator Lee cannot imagine that having every long gun transfer going through an FFL would be burdensome.

Really?

Apparently she had an imaginectomy performed at Johns Bloomberg Hospital; probably severe head trauma from being beaten with heavy sacks of campaign contributions necessitated the emergency surgery.

Sen Lee, says this will not be burdensome on 2A..."Right". There is NO Enforcement mechanism, no sales receipt, no NICS check in system because FFL can't take used guns into inventory just to sell it.

I don't know of any evidence statistics on FTF sales where someone is killed. thus gun violence.

whistlersmother · Feb 8, 2020

pcfixer said:
Sen Lee, says this will not be burdensome on 2A..."Right". There is NO Enforcement mechanism, no sales receipt, no NICS check in system because FFL can't take used guns into inventory just to sell it.

I don't know of any evidence statistics on FTF sales where someone is killed. thus gun violence.

Not sure I understand what you mean here. Consignments are of used guns just to sell them...

Squaregrouper · Feb 8, 2020

pcfixer said:
Sen Lee, says this will not be burdensome on 2A..."Right". There is NO Enforcement mechanism, no sales receipt, no NICS check in system because FFL can't take used guns into inventory just to sell it.

I don't know of any evidence statistics on FTF sales where someone is killed. thus gun violence.

whistlersmother said:
Not sure I understand what you mean here. Consignments are of used guns just to sell them...

The bill will have two people show up and a NICS check will be run on the buyer- Just the NICS check; no 4473 is done.
A NICS check determines whether someone is prohibited from buying a firearm. It doesn't involve make/model/serial number, so there is no record of what was bought/sold.

pcfixer · Feb 8, 2020

whistlersmother said:
Not sure I understand what you mean here. Consignments are of used guns just to sell them...

not really sure if consignments are run thru NCIS for buyer.

Consignment NOT really face to face transfer as we know it. 2 law abiding citizens FTF don't have any legal burden.

From ATF website.

When a transaction takes place between unlicensed persons who reside in the same State, the GCA does not require any record keeping. An unlicensed person may sell a firearm to another unlicensed person in his or her State of residence and, similarly, an unlicensed person may buy a firearm from another unlicensed person who resides in the same State. It is not necessary under Federal law for a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) to assist in the sale or transfer when the buyer and seller are “same–State” residents.

pcfixer · Feb 8, 2020

squaregrouper said:
The bill will have two people show up and a NICS check will be run on the buyer- Just the NICS check; no 4473 is done.
A NICS check determines whether someone is prohibited from buying a firearm. It doesn't involve make/model/serial number, so there is no record of what was bought/sold.

yes, I get that. There is no enforcement of that process either.

whistlersmother · Feb 8, 2020

squaregrouper said:
The bill will have two people show up and a NICS check will be run on the buyer- Just the NICS check; no 4473 is done.
A NICS check determines whether someone is prohibited from buying a firearm. It doesn't involve make/model/serial number, so there is no record of what was bought/sold.

Ah, thank you.

Bob A · Feb 8, 2020

IIRC, an FFL may not run NICS checks for guns not in his inventory. I may well be wrong about this, but I seem to recall it being brought up at last year's session.

BeoBill · Feb 8, 2020

ohen cepel said:
Feelings, nothing more than feelings................(sung in my best Kermit the Frog voice).

How do these morons get elected? Yes, I know, its a dem state.

THEY RUN UNOPPOSED.

There's a lesson in that...

PowPow · Feb 21, 2020

HB4 and SB208 are still in the Senate Judicial Proceedings committee.

Allen65 · Feb 21, 2020

PowPow said:
HB4 and SB208 are still in the Senate Judicial Proceedings committee.

Atterbury must be having both deja vu and a stroke.

willtill · Feb 21, 2020

Allen65 said:
Atterbury must be having both deja vu and a stroke.

I wonder if Atterbury has ever fired a rifle, or spent a little time target shooting at a range.

Sometimes, folks come around to accepting the very demon they think is threatening them, by making an acquaintance with it.

danb · Feb 21, 2020

willtill said:
I wonder if Atterbury has ever fired a rifle, or spent a little time target shooting at a range.

Sometimes, folks come around to accepting the very demon they think is threatening them, by making an acquaintance with it.

I suspect her husband and cats have had some fantasies about that.

whistlersmother · Feb 21, 2020

willtill said:
I wonder if Atterbury has ever fired a rifle, or spent a little time target shooting at a range.

Sometimes, folks come around to accepting the very demon they think is threatening them, by making an acquaintance with it.

Sometime tells me that in her mind, she already knows everything about it. Elitists have that trait in abundance.

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