So if the Trump administration gets the BS reclassified and banned is that effectively a win against the Obama administration who gave us the BS, and heck, the brace?
Not trying to change the subject but it was a temporary good feeling when we got Hogan (R) and now we just lost against something Trump (R) wants to take away too. Crazy times, but when the swamp is drained there will be bump stocks found at the bottom.
ICBW.
I was alluding to this upthread after the recent ruling. Save money for other fights (like a mag possession ban). We won't get a reasonable ruling on the bump stock issue, and the NRA as well as Trump (cited by the judge) didn't help by expressing ambivalence about their legality early on. I'm glad MSI gave it a shot, as well as provided something of practical utility with the ATF template letter to seek the one year possession extension.
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I noted in the ruling...
Pretty sure the money would be rolling in if they propose a magazine ban.
I'm appalled at the defeatist attitudes in this thread. Lets give up on Bump Stocks because we know they'll be coming after high cap mags. This reminds me of the hunters conundrum we talked about in years past. Since Bump Stocks aren't widely owned, they don't get the love. But isn't that just another bite out of the elephant?
I'm appalled at the defeatist attitudes in this thread.
It’s shocking to me also but I believe the fact that hogan has asked and received and signed gun grabbing bills into law some folks are waking up to the fact that he’s not for us nor is he neutral, he’s against us and he has called for common sense gun control and now folks are realizing what a predicament we are in and are trying to see where to circle the wagons.
The problem is we are surrounded by the enemy, the mga picked up seats and our governor is an anti.
So I guess the question is where to circle the wagons? What do we try to defend or keep?
The antis have ask to ban “ large capacity “ mags every session for a while. They want to be rid of 80’s. They want to be rid of online ammo and parts sales. They want our ar’s
So the question is what to do? Where do we circle the wagons? What will they ask for first or will they just go for the whole hog all at once??
What’s to stop them? They certainly don’t give two shytes about us and now they have hogan asking for common sense gun control so the doors open for them.
What more could they hope for? And what do we do about it?
I see why people would feel defeated
Nothing changed in the MGA. They still have a super majority. Once you have a majority, what's a few more seats on their side of the aisle?
If we don't circle the wagons for ANY anti 2A Bill, we might as well just let them have it all. This state has taken so many bites of the elephant, there's not much left.
Is this state a complete loss? Do we have the ability to fight anything that comes out of Annapolis? I wish I knew. But I do know one thing, once we start letting them have their wins without a fight, they have won the entire war.
What’s appalling is being in this situation in the first place, for which we have to thank most of the voters in this state. If I’m standing at the edge of a cliff and understand gravity, my surface area, etc, and realize I WILL die if I jump, am I being defeatist about being able to fly, or simply realistic?
The risk isn’t just the waste of limited resources on a no-win appeal over bump stocks. It’s the very real threat of that loss occurring in a venue that would further, perhaps disastrously, poison the precedent well. Being cautious about that isn’t defeatism, it’s bigger-picture defeat DEFENSE in a place doing everything it can to take away every gun you own.
Oh I agree not fighting is bad and I will continue to fight as I always have but now that the mga knows they have an ally in hogan who is already asking for common sense gun control on top of what he did last year then the mga can even more easily do what they want when they want. With hogan on their side who do we appeal to for help, not that hogan ever gave two shits about us anyways.
It does look bad, but until I leave this ******** I will do what I have always done and stand up for the 2a
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Bottom line is "We Do Not Obey".
I'm appalled at the defeatist attitudes in this thread. Lets give up on Bump Stocks because we know they'll be coming after high cap mags. This reminds me of the hunters conundrum we talked about in years past. Since Bump Stocks aren't widely owned, they don't get the love. But isn't that just another bite out of the elephant?
What was your position on the referendum on FSA2013?
Some fights are worth fighting, some are not. When a case gets to SCOTUS, you want it to be the right case that the SCOTUS justices can get behind. Don't think for a second that the SCOTUS justices do not decide cases based upon public opinion and public policy. You think taking a bumpstock challenge to SCOTUS on a Takings Clause argument would be a good thing? Once SCOTUS comes down with an opinion pertaining to the application of the Takings Clause in this type of scenario, that opinion will be precedent throughout the land, in all of the state AND federal courts. You want SCOTUS to come up with that on a bumpstock bill? I think I would prefer that a handgun ban go to SCOTUS on the Takings Clause issue.
yep. I'd say Kolbe v. Hogan is well worth re litigation and I'd support financially. No Questions.
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/17-127-petition.pdf
I'm appalled at the defeatist attitudes in this thread. Lets give up on Bump Stocks because we know they'll be coming after high cap mags. This reminds me of the hunters conundrum we talked about in years past. Since Bump Stocks aren't widely owned, they don't get the love. But isn't that just another bite out of the elephant?
So where do you draw that line?
Give up on bump stocks because of the implications of losing the appeal?
Give up on standard capacity magazines because of the implications of losing the appeal?
Give up on pistol grips because of the implications of losing the appeal?
Give up on 80s because of the implications of losing the appeal?
If you aren't fighting how can you call it defense?
Sadly, Kolbe has already been denied by SCOTUS. So, that avenue was pursued as far as it could go. Not sure if it can be pursued further after somebody is arrested and found guilty for violating the assault weapon ban. My guess would be that, at that point, it could go through the appeals process again. Of course, the District Court and the 4th Circuit will just uphold the current precedent if that occurs. Question would be whether SCOTUS would take the case.
Justice Thomas, once again, issued a scathing dissent from the denial of certiorari. He noted that the analysis the 9th Circuit employed was “indistinguishable from rational-basis review.” For those readers unfamiliar with the levels of scrutiny, rational-basis is the lowest standard a court employs with respect to constitutional rights.
…it is symptomatic of the lower courts’ general failure to afford the Second Amendment the respect due an enumerated constitutional right.
Justice Thomas continues “f a lower court treated another right so cavalierly, I have little doubt that this Court would intervene. But as evidenced by our continued inaction in this area, the Second Amendment is a disfavored right in this Court.”