Anyone apply for the HQL yet?

CrazySanMan · Oct 1, 2013

The HQL application website is live. It looks like a fanpage my kids would make on a free provider somewhere. I started to apply and here are some things I noticed:

1. The SSN is required to create an account on the MSP website. It didn't take my last 4 and there was no statement about why it was needed and no Privacy Act statement.

2. There is a box for SSN on the HQL application but it says "Not Required" next to it.

3. For the training exemption, there is a page where you can enter details about a registered firearm you already own. If you want to use prior military service, you must scan a copy of your DD214 and upload it to the MSP. The same for a training certificate, Hunter Safety Card, etc.

So now, if you don't have access to a scanner, you cannot be exempt from the training requirement due to military service or prior training.

4. You must get fingerprinted before you finish the application. The fingerprinting info is required and it will reject the app without it. It looks like the Live Scan fee is $34.50. That makes the HQL $84.50 plus a scanner.

I'm interested to see if anyone else has tried to complete the HQL and what their thoughts are on it.

Trbo6gn · Oct 1, 2013

CrazySanMan said:
The HQL application website is live. It looks like a fanpage my kids would make on a free provider somewhere. I started to apply and here are some things I noticed:

1. The SSN is required to create an account on the MSP website. It didn't take my last 4 and there was no statement about why it was needed and no Privacy Act statement.

2. There is a box for SSN on the HQL application but it says "Not Required" next to it.

3. For the training exemption, there is a page where you can enter details about a registered firearm you already own. If you want to use prior military service, you must scan a copy of your DD214 and upload it to the MSP. The same for a training certificate, Hunter Safety Card, etc.

So now, if you don't have access to a scanner, you cannot be exempt from the training requirement due to military service or prior training.

4. You must get fingerprinted before you finish the application. The fingerprinting info is required and it will reject the app without it. It looks like the Live Scan fee is $34.50. That makes the HQL $84.50 plus a scanner.

I'm interested to see if anyone else has tried to complete the HQL and what their thoughts are on it.

34.50 is the fee that the state charges....That doesn't include the fee charged by the location that does the actual fingerprints.

Straightshooter · Oct 1, 2013

Did mine at 12:01 last night. System crashed in just a couple of minutes of operation. Was down for several minutes. There were no problems applying as a carry permit holder. As stated above, the site looks like it was put together by a 6th grader.

2ndCharter · Oct 1, 2013

I just finished mine. Its evident that they have some poor UAT/QC people building their web site. The form errored over and over again partially due to some problems with their backend but also with bad validation on the height field. It would not let me enter 6-0 so I had to enter 5-12 to get it to submit.

I would also have put in email verification when registering and at least mailed out a receipt to the applicant. Pretty low rent. I would have loved to have the contract to build that for them.

CrazySanMan · Oct 1, 2013

Trbo6gn said:
34.50 is the fee that the state charges....That doesn't include the fee charged by the location that does the actual fingerprints.

Nice. So it's going to cost over $100 for the privilege to exercise an enumerated right listed in the Bill of Rights in the state of Maryland.

Indiana Jones · Oct 1, 2013

The state can suck on a phallus. Ill be damned if they get more money or info about me. Already fingerprinted multiple times for work and volunteer stuff. No thanks. I'm just gonna save my pennies for the move and buy my handguns in America. Owemalley, you suck.

ShallNotInfringe · Oct 1, 2013

Trbo6gn said:
34.50 is the fee that the state charges....That doesn't include the fee charged by the location that does the actual fingerprints.

So you have to pay both sides (state and private business) for the prints? So the HQL fee is really 84.50?

Trbo6gn · Oct 1, 2013

ShallNotInfringe said:
So you have to pay both sides (state and private business) for the prints? So the HQL fee is really 84.50?

Yes. THe location that i do fingerprinting for provides the service to our county residents and we are about 10-20 dollars cheaper then any of the private companies. The total will be $45.00 for fingerprinting through us. The private places usually charge anywhere from $55-75 for the same thing but they don't have the limited hours that we do here.

jonnyl · Oct 1, 2013

CrazySanMan said:
Nice. So it's going to cost over $100 for the privilege to exercise an enumerated right listed in the Bill of Rights in the state of Maryland.

And more than twice that likely for folks not exempt from training.... :sad20:

vinjet700 · Oct 1, 2013

Indiana Jones said:
The state can suck on a phallus. Ill be damned if they get more money or info about me. Already fingerprinted multiple times for work and volunteer stuff. No thanks. I'm just gonna save my pennies for the move and buy my handguns in America. Owemalley, you suck.

Well said Indy.... :mad54:

Tomcat · Oct 1, 2013

If you are Active or Retired Military or Law Enforcement
or a Firearms Manufacturer, you do not need an HQL. (Click HERE for Details)

Clicked on link and it took me to

Qualified Handgun Instructor
Qualified Handgun Instructors are responsible for qualifying students for Handgun Qualification Licenses and Handgun Carry Permits. Instructors whose courses fail to meet minimum standards and who improperly certify applicants shall have their Qualified Handgun Instructor status revoked.

Yup, site works real good

ShallNotInfringe · Oct 1, 2013

Trbo6gn said:
Yes. THe location that i do fingerprinting for provides the service to our county residents and we are about 10-20 dollars cheaper then any of the private companies. The total will be $45.00 for fingerprinting through us. The private places usually charge anywhere from $55-75 for the same thing but they don't have the limited hours that we do here.

Someone mentioned an additional $34.50 to the state...

Am trying to understand what's up with that?

The fee for the HQL is $50, fingerprinting is ($45) by a private company.... There is an ADDITIONAL fee of $34.50 to pay to the state?

So the rack up, using your number is : 50+45+34.50=129.50????

ThunderStick · Oct 1, 2013

Don't need HQL, I am exempted. :bullhorn:

So much for O'Mao-Li.

eruby · Oct 1, 2013

ShallNotInfringe said:
Someone mentioned an additional $34.50 to the state...

Am trying to understand what's up with that?

The fee for the HQL is $50, fingerprinting is ($45) by a private company.... There is an ADDITIONAL fee of $34.50 to pay to the state?

So the rack up, using your number is : 50+45+34.50=129.50????

Is the $34.50 for the background check(s)?

vinjet700 · Oct 1, 2013

ShallNotInfringe said:
Someone mentioned an additional $34.50 to the state...

Am trying to understand what's up with that?

The fee for the HQL is $50, fingerprinting is ($45) by a private company.... There is an ADDITIONAL fee of $34.50 to pay to the state?

So the rack up, using your number is : 50+45+34.50=129.50????

Just look at it this way, its a fee, not a tax

CrazySanMan · Oct 1, 2013

ShallNotInfringe said:
Someone mentioned an additional $34.50 to the state...

Am trying to understand what's up with that?

The fee for the HQL is $50, fingerprinting is ($45) by a private company.... There is an ADDITIONAL fee of $34.50 to pay to the state?

So the rack up, using your number is : 50+45+34.50=129.50????

No, fingerprinting is $45 and $34.50 of that goes to the state. $50 + $45

JettaRed · Oct 1, 2013

eruby said:
Is the $34.50 for the background check(s)?

I think it's for ink and cardstock supplies for the fingerprints.

Trbo6gn · Oct 1, 2013

JettaRed said:
I think it's for ink and cardstock supplies for the fingerprints.

There is no ink or cards for livescan fingerprinting. You provide an authorization number and ori number. After the prints are scanned in they are sent directly to CJIS. You recieve a printed receipt and that's all.

ShallNotInfringe · Oct 1, 2013

CrazySanMan said:
No, fingerprinting is $45 and $34.50 of that goes to the state. $50 + $45

Ohhhhhhhhh! Thanks for the clarification.

Did they change the statute citation yet? Referencing it as a "Criminal Procedure" statute is just plain wrong. It's a "Public Safety" statute.

There is no Criminal Procedure statute 5-117.1.

http://statutes.laws.com/maryland/criminal-procedure/title-5/subtitle-1

JettaRed · Oct 1, 2013

Trbo6gn said:
There is no ink or cards for livescan fingerprinting. You provide an authorization number and ori number. After the prints are scanned in they are sent directly to CJIS. You recieve a printed receipt and that's all.

Really? When did that happen?

(BTW, I am joking. So, you really don't need to answer.)

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