Jakedasnake
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- Aug 11, 2012
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I'm trying to figure out "Who" this Source is!? My friends are still at the class, as well as others. I've called around, and no one has heard of this YET!
No more SBRs
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jimbobborg
Oddball caliber fan
So, after October 1, will there be a firesale for out of state folks on SBRs left in stock? 
So, after October 1, will there be a firesale for out of state folks on SBRs left in stock?
GO AWAY BUZZARDS!
- Dec 27, 2012
- 30,203
Honestly I don't think it has anything to do with MSP understanding the law.
They are being told how to interpret it. I guarantee there was a closed door meeting with the politicians and the MSP brass and orders were given to tighten the screws as tight as possible on firearms, period. We saw that when the MSP bosses were lined up in Annapolis as window dressing for O'Malley and they really didn't know anything about the law yet they gave their opinion on it.
So by that line of reasoning, are certain machine guns also considered a "copycat weapons"?
IMBLITZVT
Ultimate Member
Yes not to be rude to the OP but I will wait for this to be confirmed before I start to worry... Everyone jumping on the wagon is kind of funny...
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Copycat weapons are expressly "semi-automatic" in the law's test. MGs are never copycat weapons. Arguably, they could be assault long guns in some instances, albeit that would go against all historical precedent.
I think this illustrates the need for an AG opinion on the topic. This is the second time I've read someone stating this on here, and another couple times where people heard differently. Problem is, if there's uncertainty, the FFLs are going to lean towards caution, regardless of precise legality or not.
I will admit that the OP's assertion that all SBRs are banned as copycats is somewhat otherwordly, given that not all SBRs would fail the feature test or be < 29" OAL. I also question why they'd let a form 1 go through, but I'll take that as interpreting the law for maximum MSP convenience.
IMBLITZVT
Ultimate Member
I don't think FFLs are following any of our talk. They heard what MSP said and will follow that. Its just that everyone here is all but looking for MSP to screw us on something and so we are primed to believe this kind of post without confirmation...
I agree, it does not add up... which does not mean MSP did not say it but I am not worried...
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
- 8,554
Everyone's jumping on the bandwagon because there's been a thread initiated nearly every day for about 6 months debating this topic. There's a lot at stake here... Someone has to be able to say "I TOLD YOU SO".
Seriously this has been a hot topic for too long and we shoulda had the answer long ago.
Here's what I think... They are having these "training" sessions as fishing expeditions. They know folks have been out here pouring over this new law and they have no clue what monstrosity they created. So they come out, get questions, figure out the most PITA way to deal with it based on the questions and then start spreading the manure.
They absolutely notice what we write here, especially when it comes to stuff they could potentially sell post-10/1. I've had more than one FFL follow up with me. Not going to name names.
The OP said his coworker was at the training. What more confirmation do you need that different people are being told different things at these sessions? Don't let your desire for a particular outcome blind you to what's going on here. I want non-copycat-able SBRs as much as you do, and would be ecstatic if the AG ruled that way.
IMBLITZVT
Ultimate Member
...I could be wrong but if I was betting! AND I AM
The FFLs are going to listen to MSP. They might listen to a few gray area things but this is not gray area. MSP has spoken on it and that was confirmed by several people.
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Butcher
Active Member
Praying this is the case. I hate being rushed to buy things lol
annihilation-time
MOLON LABE
What is the name of the FFL you work for?
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
I trust Jvegas
tc617
USN Sub Vet
So this is a second source at the meeting today that are saying BANNED?
I wonder what the MSP interpretation is on a Form-1 SBR through a NFA Trust submitted before October 1 without a CLEO sign-off?
I have several that I will be submitting before October 1.
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Yes. Jvegas confirmed to me via PM. Just left his meeting on the new laws. Sbr's banned after 10/1.
He didn't elaborate.
fd0816
Active Member
d***... I just bought a lower to eventually SBR it..
Sounds like they are referring to complete rifle purchases. Not clear yet.
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