Are Cable Locks MD Compliant?

zsg729 · Mar 7, 2007

I bought a Sig this month (March 07) that came from the factory with a blue cable lock. The dealer said that these cable locks are not MD compliant and charged me an extra $20 for a MD compliant lock.

I bought a Sig from a diffrent dealer last fall (Sept. 06) that came with the same blue cable lock and was not charged for any additional locks.

Can someone tell me if the law has changed or which dealer is correct?

RobMoore · Mar 7, 2007

MD compliant locks (in other words, the one the dealer "has" to sell you even if you already own one) are the type with the rod you insert in the muzzle end (WTF) and screw into the locking piece that looks like a bullet that you enter into the chamber.

novus collectus · Mar 7, 2007

If the SIG was made before a 2003, then it only needs a cable lock. If it is made after it needs an integral/internal lock.

These are currently the approved locks for handguns made after 2003 http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cach...f+mdsp+handgun+locks&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Spot77 · Mar 7, 2007

So is everybody enjoying MD's gun laws as much as I am?

I have a CZ40 that I NEVER shoot, but the only reason I'm keeping it is because it was manufactured pre-integral lock law.

Old Gaffer · Mar 7, 2007

zsg729 said:
<snip>The dealer said that these cable locks are not MD compliant and charged me an extra $20 for a MD compliant lock.<snip>

You got a bargain! Bass Pro charged me $30 for the lock for the Browning Buckmark I just bought.

The way MD is going, I'm seriously thinking about voting with my feet and getting the heck out of here.

I've had about enough of this cr*p :mad54:

Cheers,
Rob

DD214 · Mar 7, 2007

Luckily the two Glocks that I purchased in MD had the aftermarket locks which take about 5 minutes to remove. In fact, the dealer forgot to install the lock on my Glock 23 so he saved me the work.

zsg729 · Mar 7, 2007

Thanks for the information. So, I guess I'm being taken advantage of by the state and not the dealer.

novus collectus · Mar 7, 2007

zsg729 said:
Thanks for the information. So, I guess I'm being taken advantage of by the state and not the dealer.

Yes.

DD214 · Mar 7, 2007

**UPDATE** I no longer have the Ghost Blocks. I gave them away.

If anyone is planning to buy a Glock and does not want an internal lock, PM me with your address and I'll send you an MD compliant Ghost Block. You can ask your dealer to order your weapon without the factory installed lock, and provide them with the Ghost Block. Providing your own should save you $20-$40. They will install it, but it is easily removed. I have two of them - one that is unopened because the dealer forgot to install it, and the other was removed from my Glock 19. Either will work with any model Glock. I won't charge for them because I want them out of my house. I consider them an abomination.

By the way, does anyone know if it is illegal to remove the internal lock once you take possession of the weapon? I hope I'm not condoning anything that is going to draw black helicopters to my house (of course the tinfoil hat will prevent them from actually locating me)... :ninja:

novus collectus · Mar 7, 2007

DD214 said:
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By the way, does anyone know if it is illegal to remove the internal lock once you take possession of the weapon? I hope I'm not condoning anything that is going to draw black helicopters to my house (of course the tinfoil hat will prevent them from actually locating me)...

I am almost positive it only applies to the sale of the handguns, so it only matters if you want to re-sell it in MD.

Since MD allows the making of handguns for personal use, I can't see why you can't alter a handgun anyway you want to either (as long as it is not a MD banned "assault pistol" or an NFA firearm after you get done and as long as the serial number is not removed.)

wah001 · Mar 7, 2007

I was given a free cable lock by the police when I did the handgun safety course. I take it that means it’s about as useless as the class?

novus collectus · Mar 7, 2007

wah001 said:
I was given a free cable lock by the police when I did the handgun safety course. I take it that means it’s about as useless as the class?

NOt really useless, they make good bike locks in a pinch.

zrxc77 · Mar 7, 2007

zsg729 said:
Thanks for the information. So, I guess I'm being taken advantage of by the state and not the dealer.

Actually, you are being taken advantage of by both the state and the dealer. The state is taking advantage of you by foisting this inane law on you in the first place. The dealer is taking advantage of you by charging you $20, $25, $30 or more for a lock that retails for only $17 and assuredly costs the dealer much less at wholesale. He can charge so much because he knows you have to purchase it from him by law.

It is just another completely ineffective and pointless law that does nothing but make it harder and more expensive for law-abiding citizens of Maryland to exercise their rights. :mad54:

Oh well, at least we have the Omega lock now. If we didn't have it, then a vast array of modern handguns would be completely off limits to us.

CHASER · Nov 27, 2007

Pre 2002 cable lock is fine after 2002 and after you need the internal

KillerTux · Nov 27, 2007

You don't need to keep the internal lock once you buy it . If you want to sell it within Maryland, you don't need it either. The lock stuff only applies to dealers not to the transferee.

Conundrum · Nov 27, 2007

I was told that the gun must be sold with the internal lock. Once you get it home, it's your's to do what you want with the lock. The VisuaLock runs $30, but I try to stock as much as I can on the Omega Lock since it retails for about $20. Bad thing is that it's harder to get a hold of.

DD214 · Nov 27, 2007

For those that don't already know, if you don't want to play gunsmith when you get the firearm home, get an Omega lock. They are now approved in MD, and they require no modification to the firearm. It has two pieces - one goes in the chamber like a round, and the other is a rod that goes down the barrel and attaches to the "round". When I bought my M&P45 the dealer gave me the lock for free, and it never left the packaging. Much easier than having to play gunsmith with an actual built-in lock. :thumbsup:

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BIGBRAD · Dec 3, 2007

all handguns made after jan 1 2002 must have internal locks for all transfers . if you sell it- it Must have the internal lock or the dealer will charge for a new one. It sucks for us dealers in MD also .We must know when every handgun was made .thats alot of fun .
MD sucks I know !!!
I do agree with Marylands one a month handgun law, everyone needs to buy one every month!!
BigBrad-FFL in MD

novus collectus · Dec 3, 2007

BIGBRAD said:
all handguns made after jan 1 2002 must have internal locks for all transfers . if you sell it- it Must have the internal lock or the dealer will charge for a new one. ...

I don't think this is true, the law only applies to dealers selling the guns, not to people selling to the dealers or non-dealers selling to other people through the MSP.

(c) (1) A dealer may not sell, offer for sale, rent, or transfer in the State a handgun manufactured on or before December 31, 2002, unless the handgun is sold, offered for sale, rented, or transferred with an external safety lock.

(2) On or after January 1, 2003, a dealer may not sell, offer for sale, rent, or transfer in the State a handgun manufactured on or after January 1, 2003, unless the handgun has an integrated mechanical safety device.

http://law.justia.com/maryland/codes/gps/5-132.html

BIGBRAD · Dec 3, 2007

yes typo- should be jan 1 ,2003.
MSP told me that all transfers of handguns made after jan 1 2003 had to have the internal lock.
That was the firearms division of MSP in reisterstown MD.
later
Bigbrad

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