Md. lawmakers look to ban untraceable guns in next session

Rockzilla · Dec 16, 2018

MigraineMan said:
Why are you balking at the opportunity to acquire machine tools? Having a mill and having router-jigs are not mutually exclusive. You can have both ...

In this day and age, you're just bi-tooling-curious.

could be....I know...both would be nice, it seems that something comes
up, when the ability to aquire other things, the mill fund takes the hit,
I will surely have one by mid next year or earlier, got to make room
some where..sell some stuff to make room..

-Rock

whistlersmother · Dec 16, 2018

cantstop said:
How can you ban something that you can't quantify?

Easy. Set a precedent by banning plastic add-ons to self loading rifles (Bump-stocks). Then, use that precedent to ban paperweights that have the potential to be turned into something else.

So no more aluminum beer/soda cans in Maryland? What about old transmission housings?

Fred and Lamont Sanford weep at the thought...

Batt816 · Dec 16, 2018

rbird7282 said:
How much $ are needed for tooling/jigs etc to finish a 80% Glock frame?
Does anyone know if there are 80% M&P frames?
Don’t need anymore AR’s

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I did a complete polymer 80 9mm for around $450. I got the jig and frame from
Brownells and the upper/slide and parts from 80P builder. 80Pbuilder.com has deals on complete kits also. I love mine it took a box of hot loads to break it in but now shoots very nice.

IDFInfantry · Dec 16, 2018

2015 kia cadenza 0 60

Raineman · Dec 16, 2018

Engine4 said:
Does "screw you maryland" count as a serial number?

How 'bout "FMGA19" or "DewMaysuX" ?

Schipperke · Dec 16, 2018

BeoBill · Dec 16, 2018

Mark75H said:
It all comes down to how fat Mike feels about it. Wierder things have been stuck in a drawer even though they were shoe ins, just on fat Mike's whim. If he wants a ban, its going thru no matter how its argued against.

He needs to get 1302d... :mad54:

fidelity · Dec 16, 2018

Dumais would be even more driven in getting gun control measures passed and is likely angling for Miller's job.

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Mr H · Dec 16, 2018

She was passed over for JUD Chair.

Are you saying she's been put on another, more sinister path?

Stoveman · Dec 16, 2018

fidelity said:
Dumais would be even more driven in getting gun control measures passed and is likely angling for Miller's job.

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Dumais is a Delegate and Miller is the President of the Senate. Not going to happen for at least four years unless he gets a knock on the head....

fidelity · Dec 16, 2018

Stoveman said:
Dumais is a Delegate and Miller is the President of the Senate. Not going to happen for at least four years unless he gets a knock on the head....

I mix up both Mikes frequently, but indeed misplaced Dumais in the Senate.

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Pinecone · Dec 17, 2018

whistlersmother said:
I hope the out of state handgun purchase lawsuit may go a long way in nixing some of Maryland's BS.

Federal law still requires out of state sales to be legal in the state of residence of the buyer.

Pinecone · Dec 17, 2018

teratos said:
I’ll happily put a serial # on my 1911’s and Glocks. I have a metal stamping set.

Serial Number 1

Serial Number 1

Serial Number 1

Serial Number 1

:lol2:

lennyk · Dec 18, 2018

I don't understand how this can be written or implemented. They cannot ban what already has been produced - that would be forced confiscation. Let's assume it passes, effective date 10/1/2019. How will it be proven when the actual receiver is manufactured? Or will they mandate that each receiver be serialized in order to entitle possession? Through an FFL via 77R?

Hawkeye · Dec 18, 2018

lennyk said:
I don't understand how this can be written or implemented. They cannot ban what already has been produced - that would be forced confiscation.

They absolutely can and do all the time. Witness the current bumpstock ban.

Let's assume it passes, effective date 10/1/2019. How will it be proven when the actual receiver is manufactured? Or will they mandate that each receiver be serialized in order to entitle possession? Through an FFL via 77R?

No one knows what the law will say until they write it, so we can't answer those questions right now. They could do a California and say you have to serialize and register them. They could say it's flat out illegal to build a gun at home at all. They could say that blue 3-d printed ones are illegal and red ones aren't. We won't know until we see the proposed legislation.

In a broader sense, though, this kind of legislation is pointless and impossible to enforce, because of the very nature of the items that are being discussed, and it will only ever hurt law abiding people, just like all gun control.

rob b · Dec 18, 2018

I heard 80% guns identify as registered guns :innocent0

lennyk · Dec 18, 2018

Hawkeye said:
this kind of legislation is pointless and impossible to enforce, because of the very nature of the items that are being discussed, and it will only ever hurt law abiding people, just like all gun control.

Agree 100%. They are trying to ban the knowledge of how to build a gun. How do you do that? Billet receivers are solid squares, add a CNC and the proper G-code.

rbird7282 · Dec 18, 2018

rob b said:
I heard 80% guns identify as registered guns

What if all my guns identify as unregistered 80% guns from the start? Lol

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Odarlin1 · Dec 18, 2018

pcfixer said:
Yes, Absolutely

You can refuse to consent to a search of your car. This is a verbal communication type of thing.
If the officer says he's going to search your car anyway, you can't legally physically stop him.
The 4th Amendment prohibits unreasonable Search and Seizure. There are types of circumstances in which the courts have determined that a search is not unreasonable. If one of those circumstances exists, then the officer may search your car despite your lack of consent or the lack of a warrant.

The LEO can be very intimidating and it may be best to go along to get along and fight it in court and then sue. I know. I know. It shouldn't have to be that way - but for one's safety.

What you are referring to is known as Exigent Circumstances - For example, exigent circumstances may justify actions by law enforcement officers acting without a warrant such as a mortal danger to a young child. Examples of other exigent circumstances include protecting evidence or property from imminent destruction.

Mr H · Dec 18, 2018

rbird7282 said:
What if all my guns identify as unregistered 80% guns from the start? Lol

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That's what tragic boating accidents are for.

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