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Just curious, who has some arguments at the ready for the 27th against the ban on 80% firearms and home manufacture? (SB08 and HB740)
1. It would be ineffective. There is nowhere in this state from which a state boundary cannot be reached in less than an hour. People will simply drive out of state.

2. It would encourage panic buying. We saw that in 2013. People who would not otherwise be interested will be picking up kits. The most effective way to put the brakes on 80% firearms is to not draw attention to them.

3. How many of these guns are seeing criminal use? The average criminal doesn't have the skill or the inclination to complete an 80% gun. And the ones who do can make something like a STEN with equal ease.
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3. How many of these guns are seeing criminal use? The average criminal doesn't have the skill or the inclination to complete an 80% gun. And the ones who do can make something like a STEN with equal ease.
Well, that's really the case for just about every proposed infringement, right? It's not like making a crime extra criminal because X was used. It's really all about "we're afraid X will be used in a crime, so let's ban X." And they can further justify it because in their eyes, there's no legitimate use for X. Imagine me taping everyone's mouths shut before a movie starts because I'm afraid they'll yell fire, and besides, there's no legitimate reason to use your mouth during a movie. It's about as silly as that. Anyways...a couple of strawmans:

You can argue the effectiveness of such a law. After all, this is nearly impossible to enforce at any reasonable scale. So it's going to be one of those crimes you get charged with if the police has you for something else. Sort of like finding any gun on you during a drug bust. At which case, what's really the point of this law? Even in its current legal state, a homemade gun being present during a crime means you are already in a big pile of poop. So is the cost of implementing this law really worth it? Of course, no. But in the GA's eyes, it's a win, even if it a only a symbolic win. MD is full of laws that are not actively enforced, but could be used against you. Did you know oral sex is illegal in MD?

You can argue there are legitimate uses for homemade guns. But I think this is very difficult. Given the availability and costs of factory guns, you can't really argue on those fronts. So we say it's because it's fun and we get to make exactly what we want. The GA argues that we want to make guns the government doesn't know about, and even prohibited people can make them. They could even be sold on the black market, and would be impossible to trace. So radical anti-government nut jobs or people wanting to sell to the black market want them. Doesn't matter if it's not happening now, it could happen, and that's enough. Feels like a lost argument.

I guess the true, but ineffective, slippery slope argument can be used. We all know the GA wants all the guns. And GA knows we know they want all the guns. But they'll lie and say they don't want them all. And some on our side will believe them or at least pretend to. And like the years before, this will pass and we'll be happy the others didn't and both sides claim a win.

I don't know man. I've been really racking my brain thinking about this. I hear MDA is all hot an bothered about this one, and I can't help thinking it's not because this is some urgent problem to be solved, but it's the one that has the best chance of passing. These groups operate on money, and money comes in from momentum.

To me, it's purely a 2A argument. And we sort of lost whenever serial numbers and background checks became the norm. It's hard to justify after those precedents. I can't help imagining some fella a 100 years ago seeing where things are now and asking how the heck did we let it slide this far...

So I'm back to not complying and not so patiently awaiting the courts to do their thing. And I hope smarter/wiser people can help us come up with arguments and strategies.
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Mary Washington is such a lunatic that she was the lone vote in committee against allowing the MSP to take credit cards for handgun permits.
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Ask for evidence there's an actual problem, point out the time and labor and expertise makes it actually less attractive to criminals than going through other, easier, more established methods for getting guns illegally.

At the very least, ask for some way for us to stay legal.
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SCOTUS will need to take it up. They never have. Putting hurdles in front of a Right wonít fly.


I agree but I have little faith in the SCOTUS. I hope Iím wrong and they do the right thing


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