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  • woodline

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    Example pictures from my rifle. They aren't going to go down as the best pictures ever, but you can clearly see how the magnifier makes the BDC dots much more visible and usable.
    How far have you taken that combo out to? The reason I dumped the aimpoint + magnifier combo is that the dot was magnified with the rest of the sight picture, which is annoying looking at stuff at 300 yards. Well that and aimpoint dots don't look as good to my eye as Trijicon and Holosun red dots (blasphemy, I know). Would be worried that the BDC might obscure targets/people/things one might want to PID under magnification. I can sort of do some ranging with the standard EOtech reticle, but more info is always better.
     

    erwos

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    100-200yds. I mean, it's a 4x magnifier, I could probably go a little further to 300yds or so, but they do start running out of steam at a certain point, much like a regular 4x. The center dot is 2MOA, the BDC dots are 1MOA.
     

    woodline

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    New Strike Eagle email from Vortex
    Good looking out, thanks. Looks like the 1-6 and 1-8 are both SFP. Maybe the glass will be super clear or something. Weight is definitely acceptable at 18oz. Overall they seem like they are not even trying to keep up with Primary Arms on the low end. It's probably coming from the same factory as the PA silver line, but other than the included throw lever I give it a solid "meh."
     

    erwos

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    Yeah, it's kind of an underwhelming release - I was expecting a lot more. Looks like it's got an included throw lever and a new reticle, and, honestly, the new reticle doesn't look all that great... sort of a neutered version of the Razor Gen3's MOA/BDC reticle. Guess I'll have to keep waiting for the PST refresh.
     

    alucard0822

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    100-200yds. I mean, it's a 4x magnifier, I could probably go a little further to 300yds or so, but they do start running out of steam at a certain point, much like a regular 4x. The center dot is 2MOA, the BDC dots are 1MOA.

    The cool thing is that HWS dots appear the same size, magnified or not. a 3MOA EoTech dot will look to be 3" at 100 yards through the sight, add a 3X magnifier, and despite the target being 3 times larger, the dot will appear to be 1MOA on target as the dot in the laser hologram doesn't get magnified like the target, and will cover less target. With an Aimpoint or LED based sight, the dot does get manified, so a 3MOA dot open will still be 3 MOA through a 3x magnifier, covering the same ammount of target in either case.
     

    erwos

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    The cool thing is that HWS dots appear the same size, magnified or not. a 3MOA EoTech dot will look to be 3" at 100 yards through the sight, add a 3X magnifier, and despite the target being 3 times larger, the dot will appear to be 1MOA on target as the dot in the laser hologram doesn't get magnified like the target, and will cover less target.
    I don't know who told you this, but it's not true. The Eotech dot (<1 MOA) is just much smaller than most red dots (2.5-3MOA).
     

    woodline

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    100-200yds. I mean, it's a 4x magnifier, I could probably go a little further to 300yds or so, but they do start running out of steam at a certain point, much like a regular 4x. The center dot is 2MOA, the BDC dots are 1MOA.
    Good to know that the BDC dots are 1MOA. I'll definitely keep that in my back pocket in case the Accupoint ends up working better on a different rifle.
     

    erwos

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    Good to know that the BDC dots are 1MOA. I'll definitely keep that in my back pocket in case the Accupoint ends up working better on a different rifle.
    The Romeo6Ts are a little hard to hunt up at this point at a reasonable price. The Holosun HS503G has very similar reticle, but have a chevron instead of a 2MOA dot on the top.
     

    woodline

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    The Romeo6Ts are a little hard to hunt up at this point at a reasonable price. The Holosun HS503G has very similar reticle, but have a chevron instead of a 2MOA dot on the top.
    If I'm buying Chinesium, it's either Holosun or Primary Arms for the ACSS reticle, so I'd be getting the 503 with ACSS for sure. Admittedly, Sig's stuff is also Holosun, but I haven't tried any of their stuff yet.
     

    OLM-Medic

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    I'm fine with SFP scopes. Don't overthink it too much. I actually use a fixed power 12x scope for long range. Best value for your buck.
     

    alucard0822

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    I don't know who told you this, but it's not true. The Eotech dot (<1 MOA) is just much smaller than most red dots (2.5-3MOA).

    Came from a conversation with an E3 rep, thought the same thing, and it might be true that it is not really 1MOA, just so much smaller that even though it is magnified, it is still just small, basically what I told him. Was told(I'm not an optical engineer, so not sure it it's bunk or not) that as a holographic image projected with a laser it is a single point of coherent light, and moves as a single point through lenses, and is not magnified along with the target image, it's a different principal than a reflected non-coherent LED light source in other RDS designs
    https://www.eotechgear.com/learn
     

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