Brass shotgun shell

noddaz · Nov 10, 2020

At least that is what it looks like. It says Winchester No 12 on the end and it is about 2 1/2 inches long. And it is brass. I have never seen one before and now I have one. Anyone have any back round on these?

Cochise · Nov 10, 2020

pre-WW2 and probably about 40 years older than that

Doctor_M · Nov 10, 2020

They still make them... common to reload with black powder.

Rambler · Nov 10, 2020

Winchester made them for the military during WWII. (not sure about later) If it a loaded shell, the disc closing the end will have markings.

Biggfoot44 · Nov 10, 2020

Historically at the dawn of the Breachloading Era , they came first before paper hulls . And even after the introduction of paper hulls they remained in semi common use for decades .

As noted above , after paper shells quickly swelled up from the moisture in the Pacific Theatre, the .Mil started again purchasing Brass buckshot shells .

And back around the early days of CAS . there started a renaissance of Brass shells . Today you can get shells, dies , all the related components , and load data . If you're curious , check the websites of Ballistic Products , and Precision Reloading .

Rambler · Nov 10, 2020

The point here, re the OP, is how old is a Winchester headstamp case? Can you post pictures?

John from MD · Nov 10, 2020

noddaz said:
At least that is what it looks like. It says Winchester No 12 on the end and it is about 2 1/2 inches long. And it is brass. I have never seen one before and now I have one. Anyone have any back round on these?

Winchester made a promotional wooden box of 25 about 30 years ago with brass cases. I had one for a long time until someone saw it and I gave it to him.

noddaz · Nov 11, 2020

Pictures it is.

Here you go. And I apologize in advance for not having feet in the pictures.

John from MD · Nov 11, 2020

Is that Berdan primed?

noddaz · Nov 12, 2020

No, it is not. I can't get a picture of it right now, but it is a single hole in the primer in the bottom of the shell casing.

BossmanPJ · Nov 12, 2020

I have a ton of them. Most likely military 00 buckshot. They were actually used in combat up through Vietnam according to Canfield if I am not mistaken.

noddaz · Nov 13, 2020

Interesting. Thank you.

Blacksmith101 · Nov 13, 2020

Brass shells
Magtech from Brownells
https://www.brownells.com/reloading/brass/shotgun-brass/shotshell-brass-prod56263.aspx

Reloading Brass Shells
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Reloading-Brass-Shotshells-manual-VanDenburg/productinfo/00MBRASS/

https://loaddata.com/articles/PDF/Reloading Brass Shotshells Pt 1.pdf

Scroll down for various brass shells
http://old.municion.org/semi/semi.htm

Alcan also made Zinc shells
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ITLXOy-vvQ

BossmanPJ · Nov 13, 2020

noddaz said:
Interesting. Thank you.

No problem. Here are a few photos of military shells. Two Winchesters and a Remington. The inverted shows the various ends including a sawtooth crimp Winchester.

BossmanPJ · Nov 13, 2020

Here is a 1905 MILS belt full of them.....

I have been looking for a full and correct box of these shells for a long time. The official military designation for these shells was M19.

Badger1 · Dec 17, 2020

Midway has an interesting video on reloading brass shotgun shells: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI47bl2h0cU

He glosses over the re-sizing die, just saying it is "shop made". I don't know enough about reloading to know if they just modified an OTS part, or truely machined a one-off die.

noddaz · Jan 1, 2021

Thank you

Badger, thank you for the link to that video. That was interesting!

mauser58 · Jan 1, 2021

Thanks for posting the video link Badger. I have a few old black powder shotguns I soot sometimes. I bought my 12 gauge brass hulls from Magtech and Starline Brass. Sometimes they dont have the 12 in stock. I load mine like in the video but never have used glue to seal the top. I use white silicone. I use a Q-Tip to get a dab of silicone and wipe it around just like the glue. Just a small bead to seal from moisture.

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