C&R controlled round feed sporter?

bigmike349 · Oct 27, 2019

I'm looking to get a sporting/hunting/practical rifle in 30-06 or 308 that is C&R eligible and has a controlled round feed action under $500 (more ideally under $400) with aperture iron sights. Where would you recommend I start?

Right now I'm thinking I should be going for a 1903 that has already been sporterized (as I would NEVER sporterize a milsurp) because there seems to be plenty of them on the market for reasonable prices. I would lean towards a 1903 as opposed to a 1917 because I already have a 1917 (and I LOVE it) so it would be nice to expand my new collection. I know I could be buying someone else's failed experiment if I get a sporterized milsurp, but I think I would be willing to take a chance. Thoughts? If I go towards a sporterized 1903, what should I be looking for?

gizzard · Oct 27, 2019

ugly 303 enfield sporters can sometimes be had for 100-200 dollars, keep an eye for auctions. not what you asked for, but way under budget. spanish 308 conversions, israeli 308 mausers sometimes show, they bring good money unless the bores are crap.

Mike OTDP · Oct 27, 2019

A sporterized Springfield or Mauser would suit, I think.

Bertfish · Oct 27, 2019

FR7 might fit the bill?

John from MD · Oct 27, 2019

Somehow I think he is looking for something like a C&R Win model 70 rather than a 03 Springfield.

OP. May I ask why you want a controlled feed rifle? Do you plan to be shucking a round up the spout on the run? :innocent0

Biggfoot44 · Oct 27, 2019

Sounds like he wants a C&R M70, but not likely at that price range .

Some of them have been discussed here recently , but in the '50s and '60s there were a myriad of small to medium name mfgs that offeed sporting rifles built with Commercial Mauser actions .

Threeband · Oct 27, 2019

There were a lot of nice sporters made on 03 actions back in the day. Many were fitted with Lyman aperture sights. Anything sporterized before 1970 would be C&R eligible.

John from MD · Oct 27, 2019

Don't I know it. Making them made me quiet a few bucks during the late seventies. However, the nicer ones are probably not in his price range as a new generation has found them to be collectable.

mawkie · Oct 28, 2019

For what it's worth this would be my first choice: Winchester 54 in .30-06. Typically sell in the $450-550 range. Here's a nice one selling up on GB with no bids and a $450 start price. Even has a nice Lyman sight which are typically found on these.

mawkie · Oct 28, 2019

Poking around GB there's tons of candidates in Springfield 1903s. This caught my eye.

K31 · Oct 28, 2019

There are plenty of non-milsurps and non-modified-milsurps that are C&R eligible. I'm perplexed by the "controlled round feed" description. Do you mean one with a mag-cutoff as one poster interprets that?

Threeband · Oct 28, 2019

K31 said:
... I'm perplexed by the "controlled round feed" description. Do you mean one with a mag-cutoff as one poster interprets that?

"Controlled-round feed" as opposed to "push feed."

Mauser and Mauser-derived rifles capture the rim under the extractor at the beginning of the feed movement, when the bolt first contacts the cartridge in the magazine. The cartridge is "locked" to the bolt face from the very beginning, and is fully controlled as the bolt closes.

This has two effects: You can turn the rifle upside down and shake it with the bolt 1/4 closed, and the cartridge will remain securely attached to the bolt. Second, the rifle will not double feed if you short stroke.

The Remington 700 and similar designs are called "push feed" because the bolt merely pushes the cartridge loosely before it on the ride into the chamber. The rim is not captured by the extractor until the last moment as the bolt locks. If you almost-but-not-quite close the bolt, then open it again, the cartridge will remain in the chamber, and a second attempt to work the bolt will result in a double feed.

Push feed is much cheaper to manufacture, so most price-point mass market rifles today are push feed.
In 1964 Winchester redesigned their Model 70 "Rifleman's Rifle" from controlled to push feed to cut costs. The shock waves still reverberate today.

Controlled feed is especially valued by purists of the Old School, hunters of dangerous game, and those venturing into zero-gravity environments. It may also be valuable in the Antipodes, not sure.

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I thought this, from the second link posted by Mawkie, was a nice bit of marketing: "There is some wear in the bore, dark but with nice rifling lines throughout. "
Made me laugh. Add a new barrel to the price.

OP, confirm with any online seller that they will accept your 03 FFL/"C&R." Many sellers won't.

Threeband · Oct 28, 2019

27 minute rambling old-fart video on the subject:

Shorter 5 minute old fart video:

To read:

https://www.tactical-life.com/lifestyle/tactics/controlled-round-vs-push-feed/

https://chuckhawks.com/controlled_push_feed.htm

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CodeWarrior1241 · Oct 28, 2019

Do any major manufacturers produce controlled feed rifles on brand new receivers/barrels?

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Uncle Duke · Oct 28, 2019

CodeWarrior1241 said:
Do any major manufacturers produce controlled feed rifles on brand new receivers/barrels?

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Winchester, CZ and Ruger all make examples, depending on model. There are likely others as well.

bigmike349 · Oct 28, 2019

Threeband said:
"Controlled-round feed" as opposed to "push feed."

Mauser and Mauser-derived rifles capture the rim under the extractor at the beginning of the feed movement, when the bolt first contacts the cartridge in the magazine. The cartridge is "locked" to the bolt face from the very beginning, and is fully controlled as the bolt closes.

This has two effects: You can turn the rifle upside down and shake it with the bolt 1/4 closed, and the cartridge will remain securely attached to the bolt. Second, the rifle will not double feed if you short stroke.

The Remington 700 and similar designs are called "push feed" because the bolt merely pushes the cartridge loosely before it on the ride into the chamber. The rim is not captured by the extractor until the last moment as the bolt locks. If you almost-but-not-quite close the bolt, then open it again, the cartridge will remain in the chamber, and a second attempt to work the bolt will result in a double feed.

Push feed is much cheaper to manufacture, so most price-point mass market rifles today are push feed.
In 1964 Winchester redesigned their Model 70 "Rifleman's Rifle" from controlled to push feed to cut costs. The shock waves still reverberate today.

Controlled feed is especially valued by purists of the Old School, hunters of dangerous game, and those venturing into zero-gravity environments. It may also be valuable in the Antipodes, not sure.

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I thought this, from the second link posted by Mawkie, was a nice bit of marketing: "There is some wear in the bore, dark but with nice rifling lines throughout. "
Made me laugh. Add a new barrel to the price.

OP, confirm with any online seller that they will accept your 03 FFL/"C&R." Many sellers won't.

this is what I meant as far as controlled round feed is concerned. As to they "why" of controlled round feed I love the craftsmanship, complexity and safety of a controlled round feed bolt.

bigmike349 · Oct 28, 2019

John from MD said:
Somehow I think he is looking for something like a C&R Win model 70 rather than a 03 Springfield.

OP. May I ask why you want a controlled feed rifle? Do you plan to be shucking a round up the spout on the run?

I just like what I like.

bigmike349 · Oct 28, 2019

mawkie said:
For what it's worth this would be my first choice: Winchester 54 in .30-06. Typically sell in the $450-550 range. Here's a nice one selling up on GB with no bids and a $450 start price. Even has a nice Lyman sight which are typically found on these.

great pick!

Doco Overboard · Oct 28, 2019

M17 rifles make good sporters and can be found all over the place for a good price. Some already with decent scopes on them. Century years ago made some p14 conversions but they were mostly in 7mm or 300 mag. They pop up every once in a while for a good bargain.

Biggfoot44 · Oct 28, 2019

In addition to above listed newly mfg controlled feed, add the Mark X Mauser ( commercial Mauser action ) . For decades imported by Intetarms , currently imported under Mark X name aa bbl'ed actions and complete rifles by Legacy Sports . Has been rebranded by buncha oem's historically , and probably still currently .

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