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Old October 23rd, 2019, 01:08 PM #51
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Not another thread hijack but do you mind telling me what projectile weight you were using and what muzzle velocity you were getting? Im interested because I was trying to hit targets about 688yds with my .223 and it seems like Iím firing artillery shells. Check out the bullet trace in this video. You can see my shots arching in from a high angle at the top left and splashing in the dirt just to the left of the target.

I was using a 69gr projectile at 2850 fps MV.

https://youtu.be/OGLy_zN-K2I

Not sure of MV as I didn't have a chrono but I was using Sig Sauer 77Grain ammo which I purchased in their pro shop as that is what the instructors recommended. I used a 24in heavy barrel. I was able to reach out to the 1000 plus target but couldn't hit it. I was able to see it hit around it but couldn't get it on target.
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Old October 23rd, 2019, 06:57 PM #52
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Not another thread hijack but do you mind telling me what projectile weight you were using and what muzzle velocity you were getting? Im interested because I was trying to hit targets about 688yds with my .223 and it seems like I’m firing artillery shells. Check out the bullet trace in this video. You can see my shots arching in from a high angle at the top left and splashing in the dirt just to the left of the target.

I was using a 69gr projectile at 2850 fps MV.

https://youtu.be/OGLy_zN-K2I
That might be somewhat of an illusion with the camera but it definitely has a noticeable arc.

For me, past 600 yards is where it starts to get tricky with .223. I prefer 75-77gr but 69 isnt too bad.

It doesn't seem like you're having wild misses dancing around the target. It seems that you're consistently off target hitting the same spot. Work your drop chart from 100y all the way out. Make your elevation adjustments accordingly and then record whatever come up it took to hit the target at that range. You might also be under or overcompensating for wind.

Another thing, if you do have a true drop chart but it's done in 100y increments, .223 will have a pretty significant difference in the middle of those numbers. Enough to make you miss. I was just suspecting that since its 688 yards you may have a 600 or 700y zero dialed in, which could make you miss.
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The target is at the tree line.

Frontier Day at Peacemaker is a hoot and worth every penny of the $75 for 4hrs of range time.


Totally worth it. Great range with plenty of targets. Ironic that the LRC matches are cheaper than Frontier Days


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If you look, it can be found for $.80 per round. Most is $1.00-$1.50 per round. Hornady Black shoots really well in mine. Hornady American Gunner notsomuch. Wolf is $.30 per round, but only good for ~1.5 MOA @ 100yds.
If you already have brass, match loads can be made for <$.35 per round. The cartridges in the video cost me $.33 each (existing brass).
Depends on the gun. My 18Ē is .9MOA with Hornady black and American gunner, .8moa with federal fusion. 6-8MOA with wolf.

The 24Ē I just built and I am still breaking in seems to be about 1.5MOA with American gunner and 2.5MOA with Wolf. Iíll see where it is in 40 or 50 more rounds and trying fusion and HB in it (also SST).
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Not sure of MV as I didn't have a chrono but I was using Sig Sauer 77Grain ammo which I purchased in their pro shop as that is what the instructors recommended. I used a 24in heavy barrel. I was able to reach out to the 1000 plus target but couldn't hit it. I was able to see it hit around it but couldn't get it on target.
Depending on what you are juicing it to, it is certainly going subsonic before 1000yds. At 2700fps MV a 77gr SMK hits subsonic at about 820yds. At an MV of 2800fps itís subsonic at about 890yds.

I didnít put it in to a calculator, but youíd probably have to push it to about 3000fps to stay supersonic out to 1000yds. Thatís a tall order with even a 24Ē barrel.

Basically you are talking 800yds effective maximum range for a 77gr .223. Maybe if you loaded it in a bolt gun with increased COAL and 85gr bullets you might manage 1000yds.

One of those reasons I like 6.5 grendel. Even out of an 18Ē with the right bullet/round and conditions you can manage 1000yds before going subsonic. With a longer barrel 1100 and some change is doable.
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If you look, it can be found for $.80 per round. Most is $1.00-$1.50 per round. Hornady Black shoots really well in mine. Hornady American Gunner notsomuch. Wolf is $.30 per round, but only good for ~1.5 MOA @ 100yds.
If you already have brass, match loads can be made for <$.35 per round. The cartridges in the video cost me $.33 each (existing brass).
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Depends on the gun. My 18” is .9MOA with Hornady black and American gunner, .8moa with federal fusion. 6-8MOA with wolf.

The 24” I just built and I am still breaking in seems to be about 1.5MOA with American gunner and 2.5MOA with Wolf. I’ll see where it is in 40 or 50 more rounds and trying fusion and HB in it (also SST).
The first 20rds out of mine were >5MOA. It took a good 100rds to get sub MOA. With handloads and Hornady Black, I can do cloverleaf groups at 100yds and remain sub MOA at 200yds. My gun shoots Wolf and American Gunner about the same. I will not be buying more American Gunner.
Accuracy wise with handloads, 123gr ELD-M were most accurate in mine. However, the 100gr MM gave me an extra 250fps at the muzzle with a 0.2MOA increase. At distance, I felt that would be best.
This pic is from AGC's 200yd range. (Hornady Black)
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