I found a complete PSA AR 9mm in PA. After a bit of searching on the forms and it isn't clear whether or not it is cash and carry into MD or if there is paperwork/form that I (or seller?) need to fill out specifically for MD. My current understanding is that it is cash and carry unless it is a regulated firearm, but there seems to be some debate there.
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Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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Not clear as to the OP's question .
The PSA 9mm rifle is not banned, and treated similar to generic long gun.
Is this a private person in Pa or an FFL in Pa ?
Every transfer between residents of different states ( excluding C&R 003 Holders and inherences ) must go thru an FFL . May be based in either Md or Pa .
Md resident may purchase this rifle from a Pa FFL ( I did so myself ).
The PSA 9mm rifle is not banned, and treated similar to generic long gun.
Is this a private person in Pa or an FFL in Pa ?
Every transfer between residents of different states ( excluding C&R 003 Holders and inherences ) must go thru an FFL . May be based in either Md or Pa .
Md resident may purchase this rifle from a Pa FFL ( I did so myself ).
Thank you! You've answered the intent of my question and more. Sorry for the ambiguity. To clarify, MD resident buying from PA FFL.
I'm glad to hear that you've done it.
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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With a PSA 9mm , from an IP .
Could I drill down and find exactly WHY the OP's rifle is legal to purchase today, yet a .223 AR is not, seriously.
I bought ALL the weapons and ammo I will ever need (and then 5x some) before 2013 and see little distinction between, say, an H-Bar, (which is only the upper, HOW STUPID!)
and the 9mm OP's rifle.
Where is the rub? [I never need to buy guns or ammo anymore, 2013 fixed that for me.] I just want to understand a bit.
I bought ALL the weapons and ammo I will ever need (and then 5x some) before 2013 and see little distinction between, say, an H-Bar, (which is only the upper, HOW STUPID!)
and the 9mm OP's rifle.
Where is the rub? [I never need to buy guns or ammo anymore, 2013 fixed that for me.] I just want to understand a bit.
sgt23preston
USMC LLA. NRA Life Member
No, it's not:
Nowhere in that description is caliber listed. Other rifles do list the caliber in some cases.
The goal of all gun control is the eventual confiscation of all firearms or making it too onerous to own firearms. The this-now-evil-that-is-now-evil is just a nickel and dime approach at the goal. The whole evil assault weapon thing stems from a Cali politician who told her subordinates to look at a book of firearms and pick out which ones looked scary. Trying to find logic in it is a waste of time.
Smokescreen
Knight who say Ni
For the majority of "assault weapons" listed FSA 2013 does not specifically call out caliber, it uses the general "copies"
Here
On the other hand, what you can see is that the MSP intemperates and applies the law as "copy" means the parts are interchangeable and as such the caliber matters. If you look through the reviewed firearms list here you will see many examples of the caliber variation being the difference between Banned and Not Banned.
Here
On the other hand, what you can see is that the MSP intemperates and applies the law as "copy" means the parts are interchangeable and as such the caliber matters. If you look through the reviewed firearms list here you will see many examples of the caliber variation being the difference between Banned and Not Banned.
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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A. Pistol cal " AR looking rifles " have different opperating systems.
B. Many pistol cal " AR looking firearms " use dedicated lower recievers that only accept specific pistol magazines , ans cannot accept standard AR-15 magazines .
C. Yes, a lot of things on or not on that list do seem arbitrary,if not random . But pistol cal AR , particularly with dedicated lowers actually make comparitive sense .
B. Many pistol cal " AR looking firearms " use dedicated lower recievers that only accept specific pistol magazines , ans cannot accept standard AR-15 magazines .
C. Yes, a lot of things on or not on that list do seem arbitrary,if not random . But pistol cal AR , particularly with dedicated lowers actually make comparitive sense .
danb
dont be a dumbass
No, it's "guidance." Its not even definitive. They do not employ an armorer to compare one sample to anther for bona fide interchangeability.
AR-15 on the EBR list is understood to mean .223/5.56. Anything regulated prior to 2013 became banned in 2013. The regulated rifle list was passed around the time of the 1994 federal ban, and AR-15 was understood to mean 223/5.56 not 9mm at that time.
You wont have a problem finding a MD FFL to transfer a 9mm AR rifle. "cash and carry" means 4473 only, same as a generic long gun. FFLs know the law, get audited by the BATFE (which also knows MD gun laws). They have every incentive to steer you to legal items, like loss of license, jail, and fines, and 9mm AR is legal for sure.
Hawkeye
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- Jan 29, 2009
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It is because a .223 / 5.56 AR15 is specifically banned by name in FSA2013. That law banned a list of "named" guns "and their copies." Copies is currently defined (arbitrarily, by the MSP) as "having completely interchangeable parts." For the AR, the line in the law says:
Thus, any AR15 that has completely interchangeable parts with a Colt AR15 is banned, unless it is an HBAR. If the rifle doesn't have interchangeable parts with a "standard" AR15, then it is not a copy of one and isn't banned UNLESS it also fails the feature test or the OAL test. (Can't have more than one of *grenade launcher*, *flash suppressor*, *folding (not telescoping) stock*, and can't be less than 29" in OAL.)
Since a 9mm AR does not have parts interchangeability with a standard AR, as long as they don't fail the feature test or the OAL test then they aren't banned.
- Feb 4, 2013
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Law is NOT.
MSP advice is that caliber does matter.
However the MSP advice is not legally binding.
But shops will sell you one, so you can buy one.
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