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  • DoNoHarm

    by action or inaction
    Oct 9, 2008
    69
    Balto City
    I'm sure that could put paid to many a zombie.

    I was referring to the classic wooden bat which proved so effective in this documentary:

    51K4E45MTJL.jpg

    :lol::party29: definitely.
     

    kingfish

    Active Member
    Jan 15, 2008
    779
    Britain has always been this way. They've always had kings and queens, guns were illegal, hunting was illegal, everything was regulated etc. part of the reasons the rebel colonists beat them was because the colonists grew up on guns while British troops first held them when they were conscripted into the British army. It's the Vikings that baffle me. They went from some of the most feared raiders to these socialized pansies.
     

    omegared24

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 23, 2011
    4,747
    Ijamsville, MD
    Britain has always been this way. They've always had kings and queens, guns were illegal, hunting was illegal, everything was regulated etc. part of the reasons the rebel colonists beat them was because the colonists grew up on guns while British troops first held them when they were conscripted into the British army. It's the Vikings that baffle me. They went from some of the most feared raiders to these socialized pansies.

    Let's not forget that war was also regulated. You had standard procedures and rules in battle that tried to make things fair. Didn't work so well when the opposition decided to play against the rules.
     

    5cary

    On the spreading edge of the butter knife.
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 30, 2007
    3,634
    Sykesville, MD
    Britain has always been this way. They've always had kings and queens, guns were illegal, hunting was illegal, everything was regulated etc. part of the reasons the rebel colonists beat them was because the colonists grew up on guns while British troops first held them when they were conscripted into the British army. It's the Vikings that baffle me. They went from some of the most feared raiders to these socialized pansies.

    Where did you get this idea? When was hunting illegal in Britain? I briefly trained in the UK in the '80s and quite of few of the guys we dealt with were avid deer "stalkers" (their word for hunting). As far as I know, that has not changed. There are seasons for hunting all kinds of birds, small game, and deer.

    And the Brits lost the revolution for the same reasons the Americans "lost" Vietnam...political will (both the positive will of the patriots and the negative will of the British politicians and population in Britain). ...And the French. Without them it would have been another 20 years or so before independence was realized. It had little or nothing to do with firearms familiarization.

    From Postscripts "Guns of the American Revolution":
    In the first major exchange at Lexington and Concord, only one American bullet out of 300 found its mark, and only one man in 15 hit anybody. Six years later at the battle of Wetzell's Mill in North Carolina, 25 expert American riflemen, who had fought spectacularly at King's Mountain, fired from close range at British Lt. Col. James Webster as he led his troops on horseback across a ford they were covering. Although 33 or 34 shots were fired at him (some men were able to reload and fire twice), Webster was not hit once. An even more embarrassing example of the lack of marksmanship training occurred during the battle for Fort Ticonderoga in 1777. As the British advanced toward the American positions, an American officer ordered a sergeant to pick off a British skirmisher only 40 yards away. This touched off wholesale unauthorized firing and the enemy dropped back, leaving the original target on the ground. The "casualty" turned out to be a drunken Irishman from the 47th Regiment who was unhurt. In addition to eight cannons, the Americans had fired about 3,000 rounds from 1,000 muskets at less than 100 yards. All they hit was a British lieutenant and two Indians, with one fatality among the Indians.
     

    cb51

    Active Member
    Where did you get this idea? When was hunting illegal in Britain? I briefly trained in the UK in the '80s and quite of few of the guys we dealt with were avid deer "stalkers" (their word for hunting). As far as I know, that has not changed. There are seasons for hunting all kinds of birds, small game, and deer.

    And the Brits lost the revolution for the same reasons the Americans "lost" Vietnam...political will (both the positive will of the patriots and the negative will of the British politicians and population in Britain). ...And the French. Without them it would have been another 20 years or so before independence was realized. It had little or nothing to do with firearms familiarization.

    From Postscripts "Guns of the American Revolution":

    Going all the way back to the middle ages, the brits were a extremely regulated population of peasants. To kill one of the "King's deer" even to feed your hungry family was a high crime. Death if you're found with a bow and a dead deer. Brandings, floggings, and Hanging for relatively minor crimes were the norm.

    When you look at the nanny state of Britain, what you see is the end result of a thousand years of inbreeding the peasants who stayed and put up with being treated that way by the small amount of the top of the society. The landed gentry ruled the roost, and if you didn't knuckle under, it was ugly.

    Even up to WW2,British society was all about the lords and ladies. You were considered blessed if you got to grovel and serve on an estate. The regular joe in Britain these days are decedents of the peasants who ate gruel while his lordship and family ate venison. So when they are told they can't have guns, it's "Oh well, the lordships says we can't have guns." and thats that. Hunting in the U.K. is a very expensive and exclusive deal, costing more for the permits than the regular working guy can afford. Then you need an estate to go hunt at. Good luck. Unless your uncle went to Eaton or Oxford with his lordship, odds are you won't find a "public" hunting area like you will here in the U.S..

    Americans don't realize how free we still are until you go spend some time in other places. The English peasant still lives and is alive and well. He can be told not to own a gun not to even carry a pocket knife that has a lock on the blade. A thousand years of inbreeding has done it's work. Hundred of years ago, the peasants who stood up to the lordships got either hung, or shipped off to Australia. Same thing there. Tell the Aussies they can't have guns and they just go "Oh. Okay, I won't own a gun." End of argument.

    As for the Vikings, they got Christianized. The "Church" did them in.
     

    5cary

    On the spreading edge of the butter knife.
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 30, 2007
    3,634
    Sykesville, MD
    Americans don't realize how free we still are until you go spend some time in other places. The English peasant still lives and is alive and well. He can be told not to own a gun not to even carry a pocket knife that has a lock on the blade. A thousand years of inbreeding has done it's work. Hundred of years ago, the peasants who stood up to the lordships got either hung, or shipped off to Australia. Same thing there. Tell the Aussies they can't have guns and they just go "Oh. Okay, I won't own a gun." End of argument.

    Shitty argument, but okay. You're entitled to dangerously over simplified opinions. And you started off with the incorrect statement that "hunting is illegal"...your entire premise is flawed.

    So where do the American "peasants" in a growing sect of the US population come from? There's a growing population of Americans that are more than willing to not just give up theirs, but also take away ours. They were no where to be found (in these numbers) not more than 50 years ago. What's the "thousand years of peasantry" argument for the hipsters, yuppies and snowflakes in CA, MD, and most of the population centers? They've been under a socialist yoke for far less time the Brits were under royalty. Are Americans that much quicker to cave? We have two, maybe three generations left before this country is every bit as bad as the rest of the world. The answer is far more complex than you'd like to think, and over simplifying it is horribly dangerous.
     

    cb51

    Active Member
    Shitty argument, but okay. You're entitled to dangerously over simplified opinions. And you started off with the incorrect statement that "hunting is illegal"...your entire premise is flawed.

    So where do the American "peasants" in a growing sect of the US population come from? There's a growing population of Americans that are more than willing to not just give up theirs, but also take away ours. They were no where to be found (in these numbers) not more than 50 years ago. What's the "thousand years of peasantry" argument for the hipsters, yuppies and snowflakes in CA, MD, and most of the population centers? They've been under a socialist yoke for far less time the Brits were under royalty. Are Americans that much quicker to cave? We have two, maybe three generations left before this country is every bit as bad as the rest of the world. The answer is far more complex than you'd like to think, and over simplifying it is horribly dangerous.

    The snowflakes and other liberal brainwashed idiots may have had their day. This past election has shown there are still lots of Americans willing to over turn the liberal socialist apple cart. The ride is now turning with the denial of the Clintons to the white house, and some house cleaning is going to be done. Turning back the leftist bullhocky that has almost ruined this country is already starting to happen with Trumps pick of cabinet people.

    We're far from done, and in fact may be just beginning to set things right again. As four England, the last time I was there, it was done.
     

    5cary

    On the spreading edge of the butter knife.
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 30, 2007
    3,634
    Sykesville, MD
    The snowflakes and other liberal brainwashed idiots may have had their day. This past election has shown there are still lots of Americans willing to over turn the liberal socialist apple cart. The ride is now turning with the denial of the Clintons to the white house, and some house cleaning is going to be done. Turning back the leftist bullhocky that has almost ruined this country is already starting to happen with Trumps pick of cabinet people.

    We're far from done, and in fact may be just beginning to set things right again.

    I hope you're right. I don't think you are. But then again, I was also wrong about Trump's election...and Brexit.

    The UK is a referendum style electoral process. Majority wins (basically - government is more complex, but that's the general idea). They don't have the Electoral College system that we do here. Without the EC, Clinton would be president - by an unprecedented margin, by the way. We are NOT winning the war for the political landscape in this country. Not by a long shot.

    I've said this before. The UK, England in particular, is a macrocosm of places like MD. Huge swaths of conservative voters in the rural areas, and bat-shit crazy liberals in the population centers. Step outside London, Birmingham, etc and England is a very (Thatcher) conservative country. Firearms ownership is NOT the only measure of that, but one of the more important to me and you, I'm sure.

    Brexit was as big a repudiation of global liberalism as the Trump election here was. Make no mistake, though, both were a correction to an accelerated downfall. How many election cycles before both TX and FL are irretrievably blue? Prior to 2004, Colorado was (with only 2 exceptions) solidly red since 1950. It's been solid blue (with growing margins) since then. Just like in rural England, the Heartland of the USA will lose it's political voice when that happens. Trump will slow that, but without a majority of Americans, eventually even the EC will fail us. It's a safeguard, not a fail safe.

    I'm not defending the UK. I agree that politically they are lost. I wish they'd let the Scots go, though. Talk about a bunch of Socialists... Anyway, I'm pointing out that they are NO different than we are politically. Just farther down the road. By *maybe* one or two generations.

    As four England, the last time I was there, it was done.

    I would agree as far as the UK goes. England, however, has a large conservative population. If they'd just let the Scots go...well, it would be like the US losing California. The entire political landscape could change. You need to get to the north and midlands. Outside the cities. Conservatism is alive and well.
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    32,877
    Britian wasn't always anti-gun. It happened over about a 40yr period aprox 1880-1920 . For the first half it didn't*seem* onerous. The registrations and permits issued easily and quickly. Next 20yrs the screws tightened until only the rich, connected, and very persistant were deemed worthy. ( with rimfire rifles , and shotguns needed only medium persistance.)
     

    WeaponsCollector

    EXTREME GUN OWNER
    Mar 30, 2009
    12,120
    Southern MD
    I often wonder if those Brits ever sent back all those Tommy guns we gave their defenseless asses so they could protect themselves against the Nazis. They probably melted them down.
     

    GUNSnROTORS

    nude member
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 7, 2013
    3,620
    hic sunt dracones
    What's wrong with these knives again?

    Politically incorrect paint?:confused:

    Yep. Guess they figure zombie words or images will endow Brits with violent zombie-killing power. :sad20:

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/803/article/2/made (PDF available here)
    Amendment of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988
    2.—(1) The Schedule to the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988(1) (which specifies offensive weapons for the purposes of section 141 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988) is amended as follows.
    (2) In paragraph 1, after sub-paragraph (r) insert—
    “(s)the weapon sometimes known as a “zombie knife”, “zombie killer knife” or “zombie slayer knife”, being a blade with—
    (i)a cutting edge;
    (ii)a serrated edge; and
    (iii)images or words (whether on the blade or handle) that suggest that it is to be used for the purpose of violence.”.
     

    TinCuda

    Sky Captain
    Apr 26, 2016
    1,556
    Texas
    Yep. Guess they figure zombie words or images will endow Brits with violent zombie-killing power. :sad20:

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/803/article/2/made (PDF available here)
    Amendment of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988
    2.—(1) The Schedule to the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988(1) (which specifies offensive weapons for the purposes of section 141 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988) is amended as follows.
    (2) In paragraph 1, after sub-paragraph (r) insert—
    “(s)the weapon sometimes known as a “zombie knife”, “zombie killer knife” or “zombie slayer knife”, being a blade with—
    (i)a cutting edge;
    (ii)a serrated edge; and
    (iii)images or words (whether on the blade or handle) that suggest that it is to be used for the purpose of violence.”.

    Would this be acceptable then?

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    I care, 'cuz folks deserve the right to defend themselves with whatever the hell the want, no matter where they live.
     

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