- Jun 28, 2009
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me seems to think "they" keep saying there are closer to 30,000 gun related deaths per year. it's "their" numbers, "they" keep reporting, over and over again.
Australia Admits Gun Buyback Failure, Announces Amnesty
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They always include suicides to bulk up the numbers. Even though there are plenty of countries with few guns and higher suicide rates, and countries who had guns and got rid of them while the suicide rate remained constant.
I combed through the numbers a couple of years ago. In the same time Australia's numbers for gun related homicides decreased, the US numbers decreased by almost the same proportion. And this at a time when private firearms ownership in the US increased.
I'm guessing that the stateside drop in gun-related homicides during that time period was a result of the community policing, which included "stop-ask-frisk." Of course, that effective policy is under attack and we're seeing homicides and other crime rates slowly creeping up again.
Anyway, no need to disarm law-abiding citizens. Just present criminals from doing their thing. I know, I know, that makes just too much sense.
Anyway, no need to disarm law-abiding citizens. Just present criminals from doing their thing. I know, I know, that makes just too much sense.
Mr H
Banana'd
So, while admitting removing guns from society under penalty with compensation has been an abject failure, they now wish to remove guns from society without penalty and no compensation??!
Makes sense to me... In the Merry Old Land of Oz...
Makes sense to me... In the Merry Old Land of Oz...
I'm curious to know what happened at AUS gun ranges (or even to recreational shooting altogether)? Do people still go shoot? What would happen here? We have many people on this forum that obsessively worry about the MSP measuring their barrels profiles at gun ranges or asking for original tax stamps or pre-10/2013 receipts for certain firearms. I can only assume that "noncompliers" are afraid to go shoot for fear of exposing themselves?
My understanding was that to own a gun, you needed to be a member of a range.
toolness1
Ultimate Member
Yes, the numbers they report are all gun deaths combined including:
Suicide, which is over 60% of all gun deaths
Accidents
Justified self defense
Justified shootings by cops
And gun homicide, which was closer to 8k in either 2014 or 2015.
I always round it to 12K when I'm trying to make a point, because the stats are still so crazy low when you consider how many gun owners there are.
100 million (estimates go as high as 150 million) legal gun owners
12k murders a year
0.00012% and that's making the incorrect assumption that ALL murders each year are by (previously) legal gun owners.
- Jan 30, 2013
- 34,087
And those 8k (or 12k) should be further categorized by cause or motive, like the others. Dollars to doughnuts that the vast majority of them are drug-related, and/or gang-related, or both. So, if we get rid of the drug and gang violence, the number gets chopped by over one-third.
- Dec 13, 2015
- 1,940
^^^^^^^This.
It always bother me that people want to pass laws against the 99.9990% of guns that don't harm anyone.
I remember reading years ago about the gun buyback program effectively shutting down the new housing industry. apparently when the buy back was happening and the lead up to the buy back it was almost impossible to find pvc pipe, cleaner, and adhesive. The suppliers could not keep up and it was sold out as soon as it hit the shelves. The article said it also shut down a lot of business that could not have repairs made to their pluming. The article did not come flat out and say it but, the implication was that there were a whole lot of guns and ammo buried in Australia leading up to the buy back.
toolness1
Ultimate Member
Exactly.
I would like to see those 8 to 12k broken down by cause and motive as well as region.
Odds are well over half are gang related or previous felons living in areas that already have strict gun laws.
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toolness1
Ultimate Member
Pushrod
Master Blaster
Then they will probably look at the ultimate solution for us nasty gun owners.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 30,953
They can't afford to rid the nation of the bulk of its taxpayers.
Lt. Harry Harbord Morant weeps.
W2D
Ultimate Member
Is there a breakdown of the 8k or 12k number by legal guns vs illegal guns?
Edit : illegally possessed is probably a better term.
Edit : illegally possessed is probably a better term.
Brooklyn
I stand with John Locke.
Yes they can. What they can't risk is making them desperate. When you have nothing to lose...you tend to behave irrationally..
You will see a lot " one last chance" more than a few examples made and in the end they will hope to keep the psychopaths under control... But just like BLM...rage will out..
The most dangerous folks will already be down on thier luck... outcasts.. looking for a Nobel cause... They do scare me..
I wonder how bad it will get..
In any case it will be to late by then.. we will be spectators..
- Nov 14, 2010
- 20,274
Thread revival ...
Topic Change:
Australia Admits Gun Buyback Failure, Plans to double-down on Gun Control
Margaret River 'mass-murder suicide' Australia's worst multiple shooting since 35 were gunned down in Port Arthur in 1996 - sparking gun crackdown
Scant details on the actual shootings except that it was a murder-suicide of four children and three adults outside of Perth. However, the DailyMail goes into multiple pages of gory detail regurgitating EVERY mass murder in Australia since the 1980's ... with pictures.
Can you say agenda ?
Topic Change:
Australia Admits Gun Buyback Failure, Plans to double-down on Gun Control
Margaret River 'mass-murder suicide' Australia's worst multiple shooting since 35 were gunned down in Port Arthur in 1996 - sparking gun crackdown
Scant details on the actual shootings except that it was a murder-suicide of four children and three adults outside of Perth. However, the DailyMail goes into multiple pages of gory detail regurgitating EVERY mass murder in Australia since the 1980's ... with pictures.
Can you say agenda ?
Reptile
Ultimate Member
They definitely have an agenda. Too bad they didn't cover mass murders before the 1980s. If they had it would have blown their agenda out of the water because almost all of them were government sanctioned attempts to exterminate aborigines who had no firearms to protect themselves.
