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Okay, a purchased in 2016 7.62x39 Vepr. Would putting a 30rd SGM mag in it, take it out of compliance? Yes or no? I have not done this, and I believe it would take the Vepr out of MD compliance.
Vepr magazine consensus
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Money_B_85
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It would become banned not only from a MD perspective, but also from ATF as 10+ Rd magazine would make it non-922r compliance.
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So adding a 30 round magazine to a specially banned firearm is violation of ATF regulations? What about if you already owned both the rifle and the magazine, were they grandfathered? I don’t understand how they would prove it was a recent addition, assuming it would be incumbent on them to do so. Sorry if I appear dense (am dense?). I looked up the regulation but can’t figure it out.
Money_B_85
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Vepr is 100% Russian in its Sporter configuration. Due to that, it can legally only have a Max of 10 Rd magazine. If you add anything above that, you would need to swap out Russian parts with US made parts to not be in violation of 922R
Why not just 922r it? It's really easy.
http://www.adamkonieska.com/archives/922r-compliance-calculator
Get Tapco parts or whatever, then no problem. The mag body, floor plate, and follower all count as parts and you only need 6 US parts. Hammer, Trigger, Disconnector and the 3 US made magazine parts, Or muzzle device, pistol grip, and stock so the mag doesn't matter.
http://www.adamkonieska.com/archives/922r-compliance-calculator
Get Tapco parts or whatever, then no problem. The mag body, floor plate, and follower all count as parts and you only need 6 US parts. Hammer, Trigger, Disconnector and the 3 US made magazine parts, Or muzzle device, pistol grip, and stock so the mag doesn't matter.
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Because I am in MD, and if the Vepr is altered from its imported, sporter configuration, it becomes a banned weapon. My understanding.
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It would be a violation of Federal 922(r) law, until you replace a few parts with US ones.
I don't see how it violates MD law since there is no "sporting" consideration in FSA2013, unlike at the Federal level. A VEPR is legal because it is not banned by name and the MSP has decided it is not a copy of a banned firearm, or a copycat under the definition in the statute. There is no language in the bill to say that you cannot insert a larger magazine into any rifle approved for sale in MD.
There have been ATF opinion letters regarding use of high-cap magazines in "sporting" rifles, but again that's definition in Federal law, not MD law. There is a decades-old statement from the MSP concerning sporting rifles—but that came a long time before FSA2013 and I have never seen evidence that it has any bearing on current MSP opinion, outside of speculation on this forum.
I don't see how it violates MD law since there is no "sporting" consideration in FSA2013, unlike at the Federal level. A VEPR is legal because it is not banned by name and the MSP has decided it is not a copy of a banned firearm, or a copycat under the definition in the statute. There is no language in the bill to say that you cannot insert a larger magazine into any rifle approved for sale in MD.
There have been ATF opinion letters regarding use of high-cap magazines in "sporting" rifles, but again that's definition in Federal law, not MD law. There is a decades-old statement from the MSP concerning sporting rifles—but that came a long time before FSA2013 and I have never seen evidence that it has any bearing on current MSP opinion, outside of speculation on this forum.
Ummm, no it doesn't.
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It doesn't? The post 2013 ban list mirrors the pre 2013 regulated list. If you look at the 96-1 MSP Bulletin, it exempted sporter, non military style rifles. By converting a Vepr, it doesnt make it a copycat of a banned military style assault rifle? Being neutered is the one thing that allowed these things to remain legal while most other AK based rifles are banned. Look for the MSP bulletin 96-1, page 3 I think.
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1. The VEPR is not in anyway a copy of any of the enumerated firearms on the banned list, that is why it is cash and carry.
2. In order to be a copy, it has to have 100% parts interchangeability.
3. Adding a 30 round magazine does not make it a copy, because the firearm is still not 100% interchangeable in parts.
4. Adding a 30 round magazine does not make the rifle a tactical (non-sporter type) rifle.
5. The only way to turn your non-banned rifle into a banned rifle is to make it a copycat by adding two of the three banned features (flash suppressor, folding stock, grenade/flare launcher).
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