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  • Czechnologist

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    Mar 9, 2016
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    davsco

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 21, 2010
    8,607
    Loudoun, VA
    Really? Nothing is done about those? What about all the MADD campaigns? The cars paraded out to show the damage done by drunk driving? Implied consent laws for alcohol testing? Free cab rides on New Years? Sobriety checkpoints? Laws linking federal highway funding to having a drinking age of 21? Making texting and driving a primary traffic offense? The various campaigns designed to promote and educate people about the awareness of the dangers of texting and driving? Phones designed with "drive mode" to reduce distractions?

    I think this is a really terrible argument that "Nothing" is done about drunk and distracted driving. A lot is done. The one thing that isn't done though is only a small fringe says "let's ban alcohol" or "let's ban cell phones."

    The obvious other question; how many of those laws would you actually support being applied to 2A?

    my point is nothing is being done to avert drunk and distracted driving along the extreme lines of what they want to do to avert fatalities and injuries via firearms. no one is proposing banning phones or alcohol. no one is proposing a national alcohol registry and limiting purchases to one 16oz can per day and doing away with cases and kegs. no one is proposing motion-activated locks on cell phones. when a crazy goes on a stabbing spree, no jump to ban knives. when a crazy drives down a sidewalk no jump to ban vehicles.

    my point is when a crazy shoots up a building, they immediately want to ban or limit guns. but when anything else gets used to kill or maim, it's just, well that's just the way it is. clearly a double standard.
     

    davsco

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 21, 2010
    8,607
    Loudoun, VA
    Really? Nothing is done about those? What about all the MADD campaigns? The cars paraded out to show the damage done by drunk driving? Implied consent laws for alcohol testing? Free cab rides on New Years? Sobriety checkpoints? Laws linking federal highway funding to having a drinking age of 21? Making texting and driving a primary traffic offense? The various campaigns designed to promote and educate people about the awareness of the dangers of texting and driving? Phones designed with "drive mode" to reduce distractions?

    I think this is a really terrible argument that "Nothing" is done about drunk and distracted driving. A lot is done. The one thing that isn't done though is only a small fringe says "let's ban alcohol" or "let's ban cell phones."

    The obvious other question; how many of those laws would you actually support being applied to 2A?

    if that (ad campaigns, making killing someone a primary offense, educating about the potential dangers of firearms, etc) is all the antigunners wanted to do, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    just like with cars, phones and alcohol, we should be free to use firearms for protection and pleasure, and those that use them irresponsibly should be seriously be held accountable.
     

    WatTyler

    Ultimate Member
    It looks like the drain got a little stopped up. At least until the next election. It's going to be an ugly one. Any time someone tells you that their vote doesn't count, remind them about the VA General Assembly and the razor thin majorities in the two houses. Unless they're a gun-grabbing prog. If that's the case, tell them that, yes, their vote is worthless.
     

    AssMan

    Meh...
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 27, 2011
    16,216
    Somewhere on the James River, VA
    It looks like the drain got a little stopped up. At least until the next election. It's going to be an ugly one. Any time someone tells you that their vote doesn't count, remind them about the VA General Assembly and the razor thin majorities in the two houses. Unless they're a gun-grabbing prog. If that's the case, tell them that, yes, their vote is worthless.

    Even those razor-thin majorities will likely become 10+ seat democrat majorities after the election. I think something like 20/22 newly redrawn districts favor the democrats.
     

    rascal

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 15, 2013
    1,253
    Don't forget that the R's have moved left with the dems. And conservatism is hate speech.

    Except for gun control. When it comes to gun control actually the GOP has become more pro-2A than 20, 30 or 40 years ago. The data show this.

    We tend to focus on when a US or state GOP legislator goes wrong on the issue, but the clear evidence is that a LOT more legislators were going wrong 20 and 40 years ago. if you look at support for total handgun bans in the 1960's majorities of voters supported total ban of handguns for non-law enforcement.
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    In our current political environment the issue for serious consequential anti second amendment laws depends entirely on 1) whether the GOP or Dems have control of Congress or the state legislatures; and b) long term court appointments which are also partisan, in that all Democrat appointments are inherently anti-Second Amendment
     

    Robert2888

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    Nov 5, 2013
    896
    Westmoreland,VA
    America as it was historically and traditionally was based on white European created doctrine, that’s a fact. As demographic displacement changes the composition of the population then it’s only natural that changes are inevitable. The simple truth is white self interests are considered evil and racist in the mainstream. So the only option is to either admit the truth of what’s happening or accept a different culture and society as numbers don’t lie.
     

    Bob A

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    Nov 11, 2009
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    White European created doctrine is a good thing. It is part and parcel of why so many from the Third World want to come here to live.
    It certainly leads to a better life than any regime in Africa, most of the Middle East, China, and other places where governments are primarily interested in enriching the rulers by robbing or murdering the rest of the population, while stealing the resources of the countries involved.

    The Mainstream finds this evil? I think not. The mainstream would like a decent life, and for the most part can achieve this through work and sensible consumption. "Poverty" in this country is at a level that much of the rest of the planet would be very pleased to enjoy, and thanks to the "white European" economic system, the rest of the world is living better than they ever did, and this trend is growing.

    The impression of evil and racism is brought to us courtesy of those who would reduce or remove our liberties and increase their personal wealth and power at our expense. The call of "racism" in this country is another fine lie, brought to us by the exemplars of the party of slavery, most of whose taunts are based on their own actions, and tossed at their political opponents after the fact. This provides a pre-emptive defense. No shortage of race-baiters in the political landscape, but the racism they decry hardly exists, except for that which they intentionally generate. Job security

    Numbers don't lie? They've been used to lie for generations. It was Mark Twain who made the lies, damn lies and statistics comment. I doubt he was the first to notice. Lies, repeated loudly and often, have taken on the veneer of truth in the hands of political operators throughout history. They are artfully adapted to further the agendas of the liars. It worked in the past, and works today as well.

    Folks who denigrate the nature of what this nation was, and was intended to be, might seriously consider finding a place more to their liking, perhaps in one of those different cultures and societies.
     

    Robert2888

    Active Member
    Nov 5, 2013
    896
    Westmoreland,VA
    White European created doctrine is a good thing. It is part and parcel of why so many from the Third World want to come here to live.
    It certainly leads to a better life than any regime in Africa, most of the Middle East, China, and other places where governments are primarily interested in enriching the rulers by robbing or murdering the rest of the population, while stealing the resources of the countries involved.

    The Mainstream finds this evil? I think not. The mainstream would like a decent life, and for the most part can achieve this through work and sensible consumption. "Poverty" in this country is at a level that much of the rest of the planet would be very pleased to enjoy, and thanks to the "white European" economic system, the rest of the world is living better than they ever did, and this trend is growing.

    The impression of evil and racism is brought to us courtesy of those who would reduce or remove our liberties and increase their personal wealth and power at our expense. The call of "racism" in this country is another fine lie, brought to us by the exemplars of the party of slavery, most of whose taunts are based on their own actions, and tossed at their political opponents after the fact. This provides a pre-emptive defense. No shortage of race-baiters in the political landscape, but the racism they decry hardly exists, except for that which they intentionally generate. Job security

    Numbers don't lie? They've been used to lie for generations. It was Mark Twain who made the lies, damn lies and statistics comment. I doubt he was the first to notice. Lies, repeated loudly and often, have taken on the veneer of truth in the hands of political operators throughout history. They are artfully adapted to further the agendas of the liars. It worked in the past, and works today as well.

    Folks who denigrate the nature of what this nation was, and was intended to be, might seriously consider finding a place more to their liking, perhaps in one of those different cultures and societies.

    The numbers I referred to are the shift in demographics which in turn cause the shift in culture. As white Europeans fast become the minority in this country, the mainstream changes right along with that. Ultimately most other racial groups take race into consideration in their daily live much more than whites. Just look at the parallel underground economy that each ethnicity attempts to participate in.
     

    daNattyFatty

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 27, 2009
    3,908
    Bel Air, MD
    Except for gun control. When it comes to gun control actually the GOP has become more pro-2A than 20, 30 or 40 years ago. The data show this.


    That’s lovely and all, but they’ve done jack shit lately. They had a 2 year ownership of all 3 branches of government. What pro 2A issues were advanced, despite numerous candidates campaigning on that?

    Just like the Dems, they will sell us down the river as long as it’s politically expedient.



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    niftyvt

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 21, 2010
    1,891
    Virginia
    Just got done at the local farmers market here in Sterling. . .moms demand action had a booth. :rolleyes:

    I took some fliers, walked down a few booths and threw them in the trash. All while carrying my trusty G19 plus spare mag lol
     

    Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 24, 2018
    20,239
    Montgomery County
    Maybe Republicans in VA will actually go out and vote this time, and / or not for some third party candidate spoiler.

    And maybe they'll make better primary choices, so their candidates don't give off the crazy vibe and scare every last one of the otherwise still pretty conservative soccer moms away in the general election (see Freitas vs Stewart).
     

    rascal

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 15, 2013
    1,253
    That’s lovely and all, but they’ve done jack shit lately. They had a 2 year ownership of all 3 branches of government. What pro 2A issues were advanced, despite numerous candidates campaigning on that?

    Just like the Dems, they will sell us down the river as long as it’s politically expedient.

    That is simply false. you need sixty in the senate. There have been a huge number of times when the entire party or 99% of it has supported MANY advancements of 2A rights but thwarted by the 60 vote rule.

    And the GOP pulled all the stops to make sure we did not entirely lose the Supreme court three years ago.

    They are not just like the democrats and only someone who has not paid attention tot he votes of the 8,000 legislators in the 101 state and federal legislature bodies in the US would say so.
     

    rascal

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 15, 2013
    1,253
    And maybe they'll make better primary choices, so their candidates don't give off the crazy vibe and scare every last one of the otherwise still pretty conservative soccer moms away in the general election (see Freitas vs Stewart).


    Political views fall along a continum. No voter or candidate has identical views and no one has a right to assert some orthodoxy and what are and are not the correct views. People from deep red state or statewide districts labeling people in purple districts "RINOs" is silly. No one in polticla science or the study of elections does that since it makes no sense -- of course incumbents in purple or close races have to moderate some their positions -- it makes sense in every way that they do.

    in the case of Virginia I know lots of women who have businesses, are fiscally conservative, don't like the liberal culture wars in the schools or "progressive" politics of division -- but who were understandably never going to vote for Ken Cuccinelli. He just took a suicidal position on reproduction guaranteeing his loss and fking over the GOP voters.

    As far as Freitas vs Stewart, you make a good point. The GOP was likely to lose the general anyway but by losing by 15 points Freitas made Kaine appear to be superman who doesn't need to watch his back now at all.

    I know plenty of people who are hard core Republican on every issue but climate. But they consider climate a very important issue and the GOP is going to have increasing problems on that.

    The data show most Americans are in the messy middle on reproductive law, not supporting either total bans nor the amazingly despicable position Northam took, but rather know that 64 cells is not a human life, and knowing that anyone looking at a 6 month sonogram knows it is a human life. So either side simply losses voters by taking positions on the edge and at some point people not on the very edges/extremes are as bad as any critique of "RINOS's since they are helping ensure a Democrat get's elected as we saw with McAuliffe.
     

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