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Old September 16th, 2020, 06:18 PM #51
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You are right that it doesn't say a NO answer to Question 20 will prohibit you., but do you really think if you answer NO to Questions 18, 19, and 20, that you will get a permit?

I don't.
But DC is Shall issue, so I don't get why they wouldn't just issue a permit if you meet all the conditions. Everything is point that way, except for some people on a gun forum.

Maybe if I begin to do Door Dash and Uber eats in DC I will apply for one, that would be a solid justification to carry, in my own mind, not in the eyes of the government.
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But DC is Shall issue, so I don't get why they wouldn't just issue a permit if you meet all the conditions. Everything is point that way, except for some people on a gun forum.

Maybe if I begin to do Door Dash and Uber eats in DC I will apply for one, that would be a solid justification to carry, in my own mind, not in the eyes of the government.
You no longer need a "reason" in DC...

You did when they were "may" issue, like MD, but since they went "shall" issue, the reason no longer matters...
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But DC is Shall issue, so I don't get why they wouldn't just issue a permit if you meet all the conditions. Everything is point that way, except for some people on a gun forum.

Maybe if I begin to do Door Dash and Uber eats in DC I will apply for one, that would be a solid justification to carry, in my own mind, not in the eyes of the government.
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You no longer need a "reason" in DC...

You did when they were "may" issue, like MD, but since they went "shall" issue, the reason no longer matters...

It's easier to call DC Shall Issue instead of explaining it. They are still technically May Issue but they are not enforcing their version of Good and Substantial.
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It's easier to call DC Shall Issue instead of explaining it. They are still technically May Issue but they are not enforcing their version of Good and Substantial.
No they're not. They lost in court and chose not to appeal...
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No they're not. They lost in court and chose not to appeal...

They did not choose to appeal, correct, but they still have a stipulation for non residents. If you have another states's permit then they are effectively Shall Issue. Not unlike PA which is Shall Issue for residents but if you are a NR you have to have your home state permit. PA could reasonably be called May Issue for non residents.
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In the Shall Issue Era a non-resident applicant does not need a permit.
Where is the the FUD that a non resident needs a permit in their state or anywhere to get a DC CCPL even coming from??
No such requirement is in the code, no such requirement is in the application, no such requirement is voiced by MPD when you make you application, and PLENTY pf people from Maryland with no Maryland carry permit get DC CCPLs.

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The correct answer to the following statement is yes or no:

"it would be correct to say that non-dc residents do not need to have a ccw permit from somewhere else before applying for a DC permit."
Yes, for non dc residents who are residents of the United States.
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It's easier to call DC Shall Issue instead of explaining it. They are still technically May Issue but they are not enforcing their version of Good and Substantial.
This is utterly false. They are technically, de jure and de facto: shall issue
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This is utterly false. They are technically, de jure and de facto: shall issue

And yet still have regulations regarding NR permits, as does PA. See the writing of George Lyon upthread.
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And yet still have regulations regarding NR permits, as does PA. See the writing of George Lyon upthread.
Please don't try to school me, I am certain I know a lot more about the process than you do.

Your bringing up Pennsylvania situation shows you do not know the subject. I am a DC resident who has had a PA Wear and Carry for years.

Pennsylvania has a specific thing on requiring home state resident permit because of a unique set of circumstances: being surrounded by virtually all may (no) issue anti-2A states like Md,NJ, NY. And Pennsylvania residents with carry permits get felony hits for inadvertently driving five feet into those neighboring states, so even the adamant 2A supporters there don't want to give people from those places permits for PA

I have a pal who is a player in GOA in PA who says "**** giving NJ, NY and Md residents any non-res Pennsylvania permits."

Where is ANY citation you can provide that DC is like Pennsylvania and would say require Maryland residents to have a resident Maryland permit to get a PA one? You can't -- because you don't understand the law itself nor the reason for it.

And shall vs may does not have to do with "regulations" but with a specific legal requirement to have a reason to carry.

Things like other license treatment, res v non res treatment, training, what prior crimes or arrests you can be denied on are all regulations but they don't go whatsoever to anything anyone who knows the subject defines may vs shall on. the presence of regulations in general is not how the terms "may issue" and "shall issue" are determined, but a specific issue of a requirement to demonstrate a need
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No. It is nothing like PA, PA does not require non resident to demonstrate a need (the difference between shall and may).

And DC has not and does not require non residents to have a license elsewhere. I have members of my own family who live in Maryland, have their residence and drivers license in Maryland, , have no Maryland carry license, no other license, and have a dc CCPL.

Cite the code that you think requires you to have a license anywhere else. You can NOT offer such a citation, because the code does not exist. You are are omitting the "or."
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