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Old February 18th, 2019, 09:33 AM #51
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Most of the constituents will not recall or vote out of office a liberal politician solely on his/her position on the 2nd Amendment.
Now, if a referendum in Maryland on a gun bill is won, imagine what message that will send to the MGA.
Yup. 2A is a minor issue for MD voters, except for the small core of idealogues on both sides. But there are other weak points to go after with the left wing politicians. Taxes are a good vulnerability, especially after the effects the Federal tax reforms had on MD income taxes for a significant number of voters this year.

Referendums are a cumbersome tool in MD. They can be used to affirm or veto a particular law, but AFAIK there isn't a mechanism for citizen initiatives not directly linked to a specific statute. The problem is the proper rhetorical vessel for a referendum that answers the question you're posing about the underlying meaning of the 2A would have to be a truly draconian bill, like something that outlaws self defense or private ownership of firearms entirely. We're heading in that direction but not quite there yet.
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Old February 18th, 2019, 09:41 AM #52
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Most of the constituents will not recall or vote out of office a liberal politician solely on his/her position on the 2nd Amendment. Personally, I think we just need to go with one more referendum to see where Marylanders stand on the 2nd Amendment. If we lose, then we know that the fight must be at the national level in the hope of another 2nd Amendment case making it to SCOTUS and possibly clearing up what Heller means.

Now, if a referendum in Maryland on a gun bill is won, imagine what message that will send to the MGA.


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Yup. 2A is a minor issue for MD voters, except for the small core of idealogues on both sides. But there are other weak points to go after with the left wing politicians. Taxes are a good vulnerability, especially after the effects the Federal tax reforms had on MD income taxes for a significant number of voters this year.

Referendums are a cumbersome tool in MD. They can be used to affirm or veto a particular law, but AFAIK there isn't a mechanism for citizen initiatives not directly linked to a specific statute. The problem is the proper rhetorical vessel for a referendum that answers the question you're posing about the underlying meaning of the 2A would have to be a truly draconian bill, like something that outlaws self defense or private ownership of firearms entirely. We're heading in that direction but not quite there yet.

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It doesn't have to be just a recall for a gun bill. People don't like politicians. I'm sure each Sine Die, every Maryland citizen is upset about one or more of the new laws that were created. Maybe a rep submitted a bad gun bill and we want him gone, then he also voted against some kind of tranny protection bill so now that community wants him gone as well, and he also voted to raise the alcohol tax so all the beer drinkers and hell raisers want him gone. It's easy to get a lot of people angry at a single politician really quick.


Right now the MGA members can do what they want with no recourse. So many of them have no real opposition in the primaries or general elections that they take re-election for granted. A recall mechanism gives the power back to the people and holds the legislators accountable.
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Old February 18th, 2019, 10:19 AM #53
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It sure is frustrating. I heard that in Nevada the GA is trying to push through anti-2A laws in an overnight session, without hearing comments from Nevadaís citizens. Iím so angry about what is happening at the state level across this country.
This is true and happens here all the time. All the time. I have heard with my own ears politicians in Annapolis say "There's too much opposition here, we'll wait." Just like that
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Old February 20th, 2019, 01:42 PM #54
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Gaining control of seats in the state houses and pushing more gun control from there was and is the ground game of Bloomturd and his brother from another mother Bathroom Barry (Obama) Here in the Democratic People's Republic of Maryland (DPRM), the GA has the votes to override ANY veto by Larry. Remember the drive for 5 just to save Larry's veto power...we couldn't even accomplish to win 5 more seats. In the DPRM there is simple just not enough of us that care about the 2nd Amendment to cause a change. And even though many people might be firearm owners in Maryland, not enough of them care enough about fighting legislation that they believe will not effect them. Is Maryland a lost cause....at the moment it seems that way. Unless something drastically changes somehow I don't see Maryland EVER changing its stand on the 2nd Amendment. The ONLY way will be through he courts and as we all know that can change with the wind.
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