Why do people bellyache about a trigger on a micro self defense pistol?
S&W CSX SAO 9MM
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First of all, 1) the P365 does have a manual safety option, and 2) I promise you S&W marketing sees this as competing with the P365 no matter what you think.
Why does anyone "want a hammer"? Explain that to me. I have no nostalgia for hammers, despite owning many hammer-fired guns. If this was a DA/SA gun, I could sort of see the possibility of carrying it in DA for extra safety or whatever. But on an SAO gun, you really have no other choice to carry it cocked and locked. If the trigger was rocking because the gun was SAO, sure, I'd get behind that. But by all accounts, this gun has a meh trigger out of the box.
Incidentally, I don't own a P365. No dog in this fight. I just don't see what this gun brings to the table, especially compared to the P365's excellent modularity, track record, and after-market.
Wow! You really got amped on this. S&W have two pistols to compete directly with the P365 already. This would be a more micro 1911 option. Obviously S&W wanted to try something to appeal to buyers. Stagnate and die is a motto businesses have to remember.
Biggfoot44
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Gotcha , Erwos will be eschewing hammer fired pistols for the imeadate future . And that's perfectly fine .
But an economicly significant % of potential purchasers feel otherwise , and S&W sees potential in that niche .
But an economicly significant % of potential purchasers feel otherwise , and S&W sees potential in that niche .
- May 29, 2017
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What competes with P365 from SW? Shield Plus?
Yes
Kman
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Not me...except if the reset is horrible. Me panicking, shitting myself and not getting a second shot off would suck.
FWIW, the man in smedium shirts weighs in.
https://youtu.be/LRDu8hnCCW8
Slackdaddy
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- Jan 1, 2019
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No DA? no de-cocker?
A hammer fired gun, with all the non-features of a striker fired gun!
A hammer fired gun, with all the non-features of a striker fired gun!
It's SAO, like a 1911.
Pale Ryder
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It’s what they do. No rail either, like a light is a must have on a belly gun.
FWIW, I’d probably go with the 365 too if I could carry, but this would be in the running.
The TFB review was fair. Nutnfancy seemed fair too.
Amazing how many people don't get this. This gun is arguably less safe than a Glock due to being fully-cocked in firing condition (vs the Glock safe-action requiring a bit of additional striker pull).
The TFB review is a well-written equivalent to the old Gunblast saw of "it's a dandy plinker". They tell you the frame finish is wearing off already, and neglect to mention the trigger weight, which is typically a red flag that it's nothing to write home about. I won't even get into how uninspiring the rest of the gun is.
I'm not saying people are dumb to buy it - it's your money, and there's worse pistols - but I am really really struggling with where all of the supposed benefits of going the SAO hammer route are for a pocket pistol, especially given how low-information carriers will inevitably decide to carry it hammer down and then try to thumb cock it when the situation gets real.
Slackdaddy
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It's like when "Mad River Canoe Co" made a hybrid Canoe-Kayak" called the "Synergy",, They took the worst features of a canoe and blended it with the worst features of a kayak.
Honestly,, what benefits does this have over a basic Glock striker fired gun ??
Honestly,, what benefits does this have over a basic Glock striker fired gun ??
This all the way ^^^ I am not going to hate on it unless I get one in hand and try it.
I just compared them on handgunhero.com and if you change the contrast, you can see that the CSX is a fair bit bigger than the P365. The site has comparisons of other guns as well.
https://www.handgunhero.com/
https://www.handgunhero.com/
echo6mike
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Nice, I’d forgotten about that site. Handy tool.
CSX is probably a good size for me, I’ve handled the P365 and it’s just a bit too small for a good grip.
But I’m hoping for a DA/SA version of this new Smith, I’d like to see that.
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I would like to see that myself. I'm too old to have to remember to take off the safety before shooting.
I would like to see that myself. I'm too old to have to remember to take off the safety before shooting.
Sig P239 might fit your needs. Doubtful S&W would ever make that.
Before I go back to that, I'll stay with my P365.
echo6mike
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Curious - what is it about the P365 you like better than the 239?
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