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  • jcutonilli

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    Mar 28, 2013
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    DISTRIBUTED for Conference of 1/21/2022.:thumbsup:

    It is not really a thumbs up. As of right now, there are no Justices that want to see a response. They are not going to grant the petition without a response. It is possible that they will request a response before or during the 1/21 conference. If they do request a response, it will be distributed for a new conference date.
     

    Kharn

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    Mar 9, 2008
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    Hazzard County
    That's normal, the case doesn't hit any chambers until it is distributed so no clerks had a chance to read it and decide it tickled their interest, and no Justices had read the cert pool memo. But I can't recall a paid/non-criminal 2A case that has gone without a call for response in 5+ years.

    I bet we'll see one by the 20th.
     

    pcfixer

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    Allen65

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    Anne Arundel County

    jcutonilli

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    Mar 28, 2013
    2,474
    That's normal, the case doesn't hit any chambers until it is distributed so no clerks had a chance to read it and decide it tickled their interest, and no Justices had read the cert pool memo. But I can't recall a paid/non-criminal 2A case that has gone without a call for response in 5+ years.

    I bet we'll see one by the 20th.

    That is not exactly true. By the time it gets distributed at least 3 clerks have read and made determinations (Clerks from Alito, Gorsuch, and the pool of clerks from the other 7 Justices).

    It was also distributed two days after the wavier, which is a bit unusual. The conference is also scheduled 2 days after the response was originally due, which does not give much time between any amicus brief that may be submitted and the conference.

    The original Kolbe case did not seem to draw very much interest as it was denied cert at its first conference.

    We shall see if things change.
     

    Kharn

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    Mar 9, 2008
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    Hazzard County
    SC rule 5

    "5. The Clerk will distribute the petition to the Court for
    its consideration upon receiving an express waiver of the
    right to fle a brief in opposition, or, if no waiver or brief in
    opposition is fled, upon the expiration of the time allowed
    for fling. If a brief in opposition is timely fled, the Clerk
    will distribute the petition, brief in opposition, and any reply
    brief to the Court for its consideration no less than 14 days
    after the brief in opposition is fled, unless the petitioner ex-
    pressly waives the 14-day waiting period."

    Supreme Court Distribution: Lists and Relists, Explained
    "The Supreme Court’s case distribution schedule identifies the dates on which petitions for writs of certiorari, along with corresponding briefs in opposition, amicus briefs and reply briefs, will be distributed (sent upstairs to chambers) to the justices. It also identifies the dates on which those petitions are scheduled to be considered (reviewed) by the justices at conference—a justices-only meeting which typically occurs on Fridays."

    Supreme Court Procedures
    "While it is the prerogative of every Justice to read each petition for certiorari himself/herself, many participate in what is informally known as the "cert pool." As petitions for certiorari come in on a weekly basis, they are divided among the participating Justices. The participating Justices divide their petitions among their law clerks. The law clerks, in turn, read the petitions assigned to them, write a brief memorandum about the case, and make a recommendation as to whether the case should be accepted or not. The Justice provides these memoranda and recommendations to the other Justices at a Justices' Conference."

    Hogan submitted a brief in opposition to Kolbe before the first conference.
     

    jcutonilli

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    Mar 28, 2013
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    SC rule 5

    "5. The Clerk will distribute the petition to the Court for
    its consideration upon receiving an express waiver of the
    right to fle a brief in opposition, or, if no waiver or brief in
    opposition is fled, upon the expiration of the time allowed
    for fling. If a brief in opposition is timely fled, the Clerk
    will distribute the petition, brief in opposition, and any reply
    brief to the Court for its consideration no less than 14 days
    after the brief in opposition is fled, unless the petitioner ex-
    pressly waives the 14-day waiting period."

    Supreme Court Distribution: Lists and Relists, Explained
    "The Supreme Court’s case distribution schedule identifies the dates on which petitions for writs of certiorari, along with corresponding briefs in opposition, amicus briefs and reply briefs, will be distributed (sent upstairs to chambers) to the justices. It also identifies the dates on which those petitions are scheduled to be considered (reviewed) by the justices at conference—a justices-only meeting which typically occurs on Fridays."

    Supreme Court Procedures
    "While it is the prerogative of every Justice to read each petition for certiorari himself/herself, many participate in what is informally known as the "cert pool." As petitions for certiorari come in on a weekly basis, they are divided among the participating Justices. The participating Justices divide their petitions among their law clerks. The law clerks, in turn, read the petitions assigned to them, write a brief memorandum about the case, and make a recommendation as to whether the case should be accepted or not. The Justice provides these memoranda and recommendations to the other Justices at a Justices' Conference."

    Hogan submitted a brief in opposition to Kolbe before the first conference.

    First of all, that is not rule 5, it is rule 15.5

    I am not sure what your point is. Rule 15.5 simply defines when the clerk sends the petition to the justices for their consideration. It says nothing about when a petition gets distributed for conference.

    It seems to me that a petition does not get distributed for conference until the memos have been written. The distribution to conference seems to alert the justices that the reviews are complete and gives a date when it will be at conference so they can figure out if they want to discuss a particular case at that conference.

    This case was distributed to conference 2 days after the waiver.

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/19-8709.html this case took 8 days from the waiver to distribution

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docket/docketfiles/html/public\20-1122.html this case took 6 days

    It seems like the typical time is longer than 2 days between waiver and distribution to conference.
     

    Kharn

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    Mar 9, 2008
    3,579
    Hazzard County
    First of all, that is not rule 5, it is rule 15.5

    I am not sure what your point is. Rule 15.5 simply defines when the clerk sends the petition to the justices for their consideration. It says nothing about when a petition gets distributed for conference.

    It seems to me that a petition does not get distributed for conference until the memos have been written. The distribution to conference seems to alert the justices that the reviews are complete and gives a date when it will be at conference so they can figure out if they want to discuss a particular case at that conference.

    This case was distributed to conference 2 days after the waiver.

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/19-8709.html this case took 8 days from the waiver to distribution

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docket/docketfiles/html/public\20-1122.html this case took 6 days

    It seems like the typical time is longer than 2 days between waiver and distribution to conference.
    Reread the first three lines of 15.5, 'consideration' is the preparation for conference.

    Your first link proves my timeline is correct.
    Waiver, distribution, response requested.
     

    jcutonilli

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    Mar 28, 2013
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    Reread the first three lines of 15.5, 'consideration' is the preparation for conference.

    Your first link proves my timeline is correct.
    Waiver, distribution, response requested.

    Are you suggesting that the clerk does not follow the rules?

    The rules require the clerk to distribute the petition UPON receiving the waiver.

    Delays of 8 days (first link) don't seem to suggest that the clerk is complying with the requirement as you have interpreted it.

    It seems more likely that the clerk follows the rules and the delay between receiving the waiver and the distribution to conference has to do with the cue of petitions the justices are considering (reviewing and writing a memo).
     

    Kharn

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    Mar 9, 2008
    3,579
    Hazzard County
    Are you suggesting that the clerk does not follow the rules?

    The rules require the clerk to distribute the petition UPON receiving the waiver.

    Delays of 8 days (first link) don't seem to suggest that the clerk is complying with the requirement as you have interpreted it.

    It seems more likely that the clerk follows the rules and the delay between receiving the waiver and the distribution to conference has to do with the cue of petitions the justices are considering (reviewing and writing a memo).

    Cases are only distributed on certain days of the week, depending on the type of case (normal vs prisoner).
     

    DC-W

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    Jan 23, 2013
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    The state has motioned for a 30-day extension of time but if petitioners filed in 2019, one would think the state has had plenty ;)
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/Docket...16_20220125 Ltr to Clerk Supreme Court US.pdf
    FJ-TWWtXIAkSKSu



    Full docket: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/DocketFiles/html/Public/21-902.html
    (it's good when I'm not the only one who makes typos)
     

    rbird7282

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    Dec 6, 2012
    18,665
    Columbia
    The state has motioned for a 30-day extension of time but if petitioners filed in 2019, one would think the state has had plenty ;)
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/Docket...16_20220125 Ltr to Clerk Supreme Court US.pdf
    FJ-TWWtXIAkSKSu



    Full docket: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/DocketFiles/html/Public/21-902.html
    (it's good when I'm not the only one who makes typos)

    These extension requests shouldn't be allowed except in highly unusual circumstances. It's BS when almost every case seems to get an extension granted.
     

    camo556

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    Aug 29, 2021
    2,634
    The state has motioned for a 30-day extension of time but if petitioners filed in 2019, one would think the state has had plenty ;)
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/Docket...16_20220125 Ltr to Clerk Supreme Court US.pdf
    FJ-TWWtXIAkSKSu



    Full docket: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/DocketFiles/html/Public/21-902.html
    (it's good when I'm not the only one who makes typos)

    These extension requests shouldn't be allowed except in highly unusual circumstances. It's BS when almost every case seems to get an extension granted.

    I think that extensions are routinely granted and rubber stamped. Maybe more than one.

    I am not worried. By the time they get around to replying, NYRPA v Bruen will be out.
     

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