Wrenn PI Granted (DC Shall Issue)

jbrown50 · Sep 29, 2017

Inigoes said:
Is it possible Merrick Garland learned his lesson?

His anti-2A view cost him a seat at the Supreme Court.

I think the difference is that unlike places like CA and NY etc., where permits are restricted but judges and connected people can still get them, DC restricts permits to only those carrying large sums of money, valuables and caring for a disabled person, period. Above all else the DCC judges still live in this area and work in DC so they experience a non-elitist viewpoint just like most of the population.

Often times the leftists can be so ravenous that they become a detriment to themselves.

danb · Sep 29, 2017

Not even the rabidly anti-gun judge who wrote The dissent voted for a rehearing.

Not sure Merrick Garland even entered into the equation.

swinokur · Sep 29, 2017

jbrown50 said:
I think the difference is that unlike places like CA and NY etc., where permits are restricted but judges and connected people can still get them, DC restricts permits to only those carrying large sums of money, valuables and caring for a disabled person, period. Above all else the DCC judges still live in this area and work in DC so they experience a non-elitist viewpoint just like most of the population.

Often times the leftists can be so ravenous that they become a detriment to themselves.

Didn’t stop the 4th Circuit from ruling against us in Woollard

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wjackcooper · Sep 29, 2017

Can’t help but wonder if the Democrats plus Henderson strategy is to give this case a comparatively quick trip to the Supreme Court while their views still have a substantial chance to prevail. At any rate, it is doubtful that this denial is on the merits as perceived by Henderson and the Democrat appointees, or so it seems to me.

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Jack

jimboman2000 · Sep 29, 2017

Hi all,

Please accept my apologies if I sound dense. I understand the wording in the ruling, I understand the overall outcome. But, what kind of timeline does this give us MD'ers? The court system usually takes what seems like a long time, especially in a case like this. Are we looking at years for MD to become a shall issue?

GTOGUNNER · Sep 29, 2017

I think we knew it was going this way back on Sept. 16th. The fix was in. Evident by the Smiles on the faces of the Patriot Picket after speaking with Dick Heller.

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platoonDaddy · Sep 29, 2017

D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine said in a statement that police can continue to enforce the "good reason" requirement until the appeals court issues what's called a mandate in about a week. Racine said he's reviewing options for how to proceed. The city could decide to ask the Supreme Court to hear the case.

swinokur · Sep 29, 2017

I feel DC will ask SCOTUS to stay the order while they file for CERT. It’s in their DNA

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eruby · Sep 29, 2017

swinokur said:
I feel DC will ask SCOTUS to stay the order while they file for CERT. It’s in their DNA

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Scorpion on frog FTW

Inigoes · Sep 29, 2017

jimboman2000 said:
Hi all,

Please accept my apologies if I sound dense. I understand the wording in the ruling, I understand the overall outcome. But, what kind of timeline does this give us MD'ers? The court system usually takes what seems like a long time, especially in a case like this. Are we looking at years for MD to become a shall issue?

As of right now, there is no time line.

DC has to petition the Supreme Court for their to be a timeline that will affect Maryland.
"If" DC petitions the court and cert is granted, the case will normally be heard this session, and an opinion rendered before the summer break (July 2018).

fightinbluhen51 · Sep 29, 2017

Inigoes said:
As of right now, there is no time line.

DC has to petition the Supreme Court for their to be a timeline that will affect Maryland.
"If" DC petitions the court and cert is granted, the case will normally be heard this session, and an opinion rendered before the summer break (July 2018).

That depends upon conference dates. That briefing schedule might be VERY tight.

Cert Petition due in what? ~~30 days, extensions~~[From esq MSI writeup] "DC has 90 days in which to file a petition for certiorari, plus extensions" and unmentioned stay requests.

Conference ~~might not even happen until 1/1/18~~ won't happen until late in the 17/18 term (essentially).

~~Probably the~~ Fall term of 2018 for oral arguments w/ a 6/30/2019 ruling.

IF DC files for SCOTUS review. We are 20 months from anything that may impact MD.

stm · Sep 29, 2017

LargemouthAss said:
This is really wonderful news but we all know the fight is far from over. DC will take this to SCOTUS and i fully expect us to win.... then DC will really turn the screws. Preposterous training requirements, super short renewal requirements, astronomical fees, etc. There will be further legal wrangling on this for the foreseeable future.

One positive for us in the Capital Region is that the DC permit is sure to be one of if not the most stringent in the nation so a DC license will have reciprocity everywhere even if we never see a national conceal carry reciprocity bill hit the floor.

Sounds like you've been to Illinois! No permit is more expensive or requires more training than Illinois' CCL. With 23 categories of prohibited areas, I'm not sure if there are any more restrictive "shall-issue" permits out there.

FGT1958 · Sep 29, 2017

Agreed. That's why we need a 2nd Amendment preclearance law similar to the one that existed with respect to the Voting Rights Act.

I like that idea!

swinokur · Sep 29, 2017

fightinbluhen51 said:
That depends upon conference dates. That briefing schedule might be VERY tight.

Cert Petition due in what? 30 days, extensions, stay requests

Conference might not even happen until 1/1/18 (essentially).

Probably the fall term of 2018 for arguments w/ a 6/30/2019 ruling.

IF DC files for SCOTUS review. We are 20 months from anything that may impact MD.

ESQ said 90 days to apply for CERT

fightinbluhen51 · Sep 29, 2017

swinokur said:
ESQ said 90 days to apply for CERT

Yeah, I went back and double checked...updated my post in #1991.

Inigoes · Sep 29, 2017

I am hoping there is no stay pending review. That would force DC to file at a faster pace.

The longer they have to issue permits, without blood in the streets. The harder their argument will be to support.

moojersey · Sep 29, 2017

Hmm good news! Chances of this going to SCOTUS????

rbird7282 · Sep 29, 2017

LargemouthAss said:
This is really wonderful news but we all know the fight is far from over. DC will take this to SCOTUS and i fully expect us to win.... then DC will really turn the screws. Preposterous training requirements, super short renewal requirements, astronomical fees, etc. There will be further legal wrangling on this for the foreseeable future.

One positive for us in the Capital Region is that the DC permit is sure to be one of if not the most stringent in the nation so a DC license will have reciprocity everywhere even if we never see a national conceal carry reciprocity bill hit the floor.

Don't count on it, after all, MD doesn't have reciprocity with anyone.

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SWO Daddy · Sep 29, 2017

swinokur said:
ESQ said 90 days to apply for CERT

I hope they take every but of it. Time is on our side here IMO.

rbird7282 · Sep 29, 2017

I'm not really thrilled with this going to SCOTUS unless the President can get one more appointment to the court. I simply don't trust them to do the right thing.

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