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Old November 15th, 2015, 08:28 AM #11
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Funny how the 2,000 page Obamacare bill passed by one party (and unread by all) in the dead of night is "the settled law of the land" but the left are still unsure of what "shall not be infringed" means.


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Old November 15th, 2015, 09:07 AM #12
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A waste of paper. Why pass a law which is completely unenforceable by any court?
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Cool! Let's get all Oprah on this thing...

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Yeppers ...

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Wasn't this issue settled already in the Supreme Court? They confirmed that it is an individual right. I think it was the Heller case.
McDonald v. Chicago ... of all places.

Different from District of Columbia v. Heller

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The Heller case was regarded as a sort of predecessor to the McDonald case, and there are many similarities between the two. But the McDonald ruling goes much further, saying that all state and local gun control laws must meet the standards of the Second Amendment, and of the Heller ruling — not just federal laws. But the Court left for another day the question of which gun control laws, if any, could be reconciled with the Heller and McDonald rulings.
Their "resolution urging the SCOTUS to interpret the 2nd Amendment as a collective right instead of an individual one" was narrowly struck down in Heller. Only a change in SCOTUS mix and a new, but different challenge would be at issue.

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Several lower courts ruled in their favor, and the Supreme Court upheld those rulings in a landmark 5-4 decision. Crucially, the Heller case affirmed that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to own a gun, rather than a collective right to gun ownership, which would allow citizens to form militias, for example, but would not preclude the government from outlawing individual handgun ownership.
Isn't it amazing how much public monies are spent trying to overturn 2A by gun-grabbing politicians like Rahm Emanuel & company.

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There must be some impeachment process in IL. I suggest that the few Americans living there remove these 5 idiots.
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This has just gotten sad.

They don't even care anymore. So what if it will be overturned when it gets to SCOTUS in five years? When that happens, just pass another law like it.

The waste of taxpayer dollars is going to be staggering.
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These clowns don't have a clue as to what the founders intent of the 2A was. They should read, The Founder's Second Amendment, Origins of the Right to Bear Arms, written by Stephen P. Halbrook. A great book that I have recently read. You get the facts from the founders themselves rather than biased opinions and spin from gun control advocates.

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"The historical evidence set forth in this work suggests that the Founders had a predilection for both a well regulated militia and an individual right to have arms, and that they envisioned that the two clauses of the Amendment would complement rather than be in tension with each other.

This work seeks to present the views of the Founders who actually created the Second Amendment. It is based on their own words as found in newspapers, correspondence, debates, and resolutions. Generous quotations from the Founders are used to allow them to speak for themselves, thereby avoiding the appearance of re-characterization of their views."

Not to mention that most states have their own state constitutions with provisions concerning the right to keep and bear arms. Many don't even mention any militia, including Illinois, which states: "Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Here is a link for individual state constitutions regarding the right to keep and bear arms. I like Maine and Nevada, plain and simple.

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/infor...tem.asp?ID=841
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Don't try her. Too expensive.

Just deport her.

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