Bump Stocks to be Banned Nationwide

Rack&Roll · Feb 20, 2018

tkd4life said:
Do you think Sessions would disobey and ignore a memo from Trump on Bumpstocks? That wouldn't keep him around for very long.

You don't know where this goes. Trump is not a gun guy and questioned the AR category decades ago. Trump is not the be-all, end-all on this, and hates blowback. We make his life miserable on this, and we can prevail.

But we have to fight.

As I said earlier "No problem, until your 'niche' is gored?"

TexDefender · Feb 20, 2018

danb said:
A lot of Republicans are on board with this. Including some pretty prominent ones.

People who care about or own bump stocks are a minority of a minority. My guess is that this will happen. Question is, what do we get. Congressional Republicans are very deeply concerned about mid terms. Trump is already framing this as "Democrats did not care when they had the majority" What we may get is a chance to have a GOP majority in 2019. There are many SCOTUS retirements coming. Replacing Kennedy, Ginsburg, and some others is paramount. Gotta play the long game here. Also, I far prefer this to Annapolis action.

I personally don't own a Bump Stock, I think it is a waste of money. But if that is what you want to do then so be it. If you have ever fired an real M-16 on full auto, you are lucky to put anything into a point target. It quickly climbs up and to left. But I will fight for you right to own and use one.

tkd4life · Feb 20, 2018

cantstop said:
I am ashamed that folks are so readily willing to give up their 2nd amendment rights and post liberal propaganda on a gun forum as if it is a done deal.

Just because he is bringing news to the forum doesn't mean he supports it. This is a classic case of "Don't shoot the messenger". Chill out man.

montoya32 · Feb 20, 2018

I think, in part, Rack is eluding to the fact that , in general, folks take the titles of thread to represent what the thread contains. There is NO directive to ban them, and quire honestly, the memo states something about "devices that turn firearms into machine guns", so bump stocks are safe. lol

In addition, here is the quote from the MSN article.

"President Donald Trump says he's signed a memo directing the Justice Department to propose regulations to "ban all devices" like bump stocks used in last year's Las Vegas massacre."

I won't make apologies for Rack, but when you spend time in cuffs and in jail for our rights, I personally give a little room to be upset at others who you interpret as being less than strictly supportive and helpful.

No offense to the OP, but not having access to the WC doesn't help, either.

tkd4life · Feb 20, 2018

Rack&Roll said:
You don't know where this goes. Trump is not a gun guy and questioned the AR category decades ago. Trump is not the be-all, end-all on this, and hates blowback. We make his life miserable on this, and we can prevail.

But we have to fight.

As I said earlier "No problem, until your 'niche' is gored?"

I guess you are right, the ATF could tell Trump to F off, but as a government employee, you don't get very far telling your bosses to F off. I would put a large sum of money on this is a done deal. This fight isn't politically palatable for anyone right now including the NRA.

TexDefender · Feb 20, 2018

cantstop said:
The OP's headline is not true.

Well that isn't going to happen. The ATF has on several occasions determined that bump stocks are not machine guns and do not turn self loading rifles into machine guns. Repeating a quote from a liberal news-feed on a headline as if it's a done deal is pretty bash-worthy.

I am ashamed that folks are so readily willing to give up their 2nd amendment rights and post liberal propaganda on a gun forum as if it is a done deal.

Well we will just have to disagree, but a few people here lost a little respect in my mind.

Ranchero50 · Feb 20, 2018

It's a friggin memo, nothing in paper, no laws or regulations passed.

What's the normal turn around on a change like this? There has to be a bureaucratic process that will take some time and probably get washed way down since it seems the ATF regulations already prohibit modifying a firearm to turn it into a machine gun. All in the verbage.

cantstop · Feb 20, 2018

tkd4life said:
Just because he is bringing news to the forum doesn't mean he supports it. This is a classic case of "Don't shoot the messenger". Chill out man.

Sorry dude. Bump-stocks have been under attack since before the LV incident. There are threads that already exist. The OP's headline incites anger from those here that have been writing to the ATF and representatives in government. We don't need a defeatist posting BS threads that distract from focused efforts to maintain our rights.

Qbeam · Feb 20, 2018

TexDefender said:
Looks like Bump stocks are going to be banned nationwide according to MSN. There are no details as of yet.

So rather than wait for details, you decide to put it out, and get everyone spooled up. You emulated the MSM by rushing to be first. Now that information is out, plans can be made. R&R made a point, albeit a little rough on the delivery, but he has a point. Everyone is starting to stress out with all the talk since the Florida incident, but we have to keep it together if we are going to make any difference.

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davsco · Feb 20, 2018

marylandmark said:
Ban the use of bump stocks when committing a crime

exactafrigginmundo!!! doubles jail time or something like that. if you're out committing crimes, you do extra time (or maybe extra slow and painful execution). if you're just having fun blasting watermelons, have at it.

buellsfurn · Feb 20, 2018

tkd4life said:
I think the title is perfectly adequate. Trump is telling sessions to effectively ban Bumpstocks. I honestly don't understand your hostility.

maybe catch up on some reading the man has dedicated his life fighting for our 2a and 1 a rights.I call him passionate you call him hostile

danb · Feb 20, 2018

montoya32 said:
I think, in part, Rack is eluding to the fact that , in general, folks take the titles of thread to represent what the thread contains.

The title of this thread is as accurate as any other title.

Nobody who spend anytime on MDS takes titles seriously. Only 3% of threads stay on topic. Most derail by post #10.

The animosity is unwarranted, and the title is true to every outlet including Fox reporting.

TexDefender · Feb 20, 2018

cantstop said:
Sorry dude. Bump-stocks have been under attack since before the LV incident. There are threads that already exist. The OP's headline incites anger from those here that have been writing to the ATF and representatives in government. We don't need a defeatist posting BS threads that distract from focused efforts to maintain our rights.

Care to point out where in my original post that was defeatist. Sounding the alarm is not defeatist. I don't have to be insulted, I expect more from a person of his age. Outburst such as that does nothing but harm our cause to defend our rights. :mad54:

Ranchero50 · Feb 20, 2018

Ranchero50 said:
It's a friggin memo, nothing in paper, no laws or regulations passed.

What's the normal turn around on a change like this? There has to be a bureaucratic process that will take some time and probably get washed way down since it seems the ATF regulations already prohibit modifying a firearm to turn it into a machine gun. All in the verbage.

Any chance to get this question answered?

montoya32 · Feb 20, 2018

TexDefender said:
It got your attention, its the title of the MSN article. What was my post?

I will argue you should of said, "MSN predicts or states......"

I don't care, but you have to at least recognize that there are passionate people here who pour their lives into this community's cause and take this very seriously.

cantstop · Feb 20, 2018

FWIW

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/internet/msn.html

inkd · Feb 20, 2018

cantstop;5112579 I am ashamed that folks are so readily willing to give up their 2nd amendment rights and post liberal propaganda on a gun forum as if it is a done deal.[/QUOTE said:
Where did he say that? What in his post gave you any indication of what his actions may be.

He posted exactly what every media outlet has had on their headlines.

Was the title the best? Probably not. But, that would have been a perfect time to RATIONALLY educate a relatively new member of the forum on some of the ins and outs and "forum etiquette".

Instead, he gets his shit jumped and insulted. At a time when we should be educating and encouraging, all that was accomplished was creating division.

He should get an apology and I know the odds of that happening are somewhere around hell freezing over.

Not_an_outlaw · Feb 20, 2018

What's a bumpstock? I'd like to see the definition. Notorious AOB tried to give a stick with a dowel on the end to Rmeriz. Is that a bumpstock. What will be the constructive crime? You have something that can work like a bumpstock, so jail and lifetime prohibition for you? Bumpstock Nazi!

buellsfurn · Feb 20, 2018

I would also add that op not having access to the water cooler would have notice this was posted 20 some mins earlier in a thread started October of last year on this mater in a more tasteful manor

inkd · Feb 20, 2018

montoya32 said:
I will argue you should of said, "MSN predicts or states......"

I don't care, but you have to at least recognize that there are passionate people here who pour their lives into this community's cause and take this very seriously.

You can be passionate without being insulting.

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