This above.. However some folks will never except the truth, even if it bit them in the a$$. However I'm seldom surprised by RD's responses...
I hate it when people don't "except" the truth.
Do officers have a duty to not enforce unconstitutional laws?
- Thread starter IDFInfantry
- Start date
The #1 community for Gun Owners of the Northeast
Member Benefits:
No ad networks! Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership Discuss anti-gun legislation Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses Discover free outdoor shooting areas View up to date on firearm-related events Share photos & video with other members ...and so much more!
Member Benefits:
- Status
I hate it when people don't "except" the truth.
Make no mistake: Indirect or not, I was referring directly to your comments. Reading comprehension and trying to put words in other peoples mouth seem to be a constant response. I never made any comparison to NAZI activities and you are taking liberties with the truth by posting such directed at me...
Gentleman
it sounds here to me that their are so many views and so many ideas, instead of blasting each other why not have a grand meet somewhere in the state that everyone can drive to or at least try to make it so everyone might have to drive some to get to it to be fair, have a sitdown eyeball to eyeball and hash it all out in person. We are all gentleman and can be civil about this as well while we are taking turns speaking our minds and our hearts on this matter as well. I for one think it would be a very interesting meeting and who knows what might come out of it as well. What say ye?
it sounds here to me that their are so many views and so many ideas, instead of blasting each other why not have a grand meet somewhere in the state that everyone can drive to or at least try to make it so everyone might have to drive some to get to it to be fair, have a sitdown eyeball to eyeball and hash it all out in person. We are all gentleman and can be civil about this as well while we are taking turns speaking our minds and our hearts on this matter as well. I for one think it would be a very interesting meeting and who knows what might come out of it as well. What say ye?
RoadDawg
Nos nostraque Deo
- Dec 6, 2010
- 94,383
Make no mistake: Indirect or not, I was referring directly to your comments. Reading comprehension and trying to put words in other peoples mouth seem to be a constant response. I never made any comparison to NAZI activities and you are taking liberties with the truth by posting such directed at me...
I made no mistake... I knew full well your intentions were directed at me.
Reading comprehension would allow you to see that my comments were originally directed here:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5390402&postcount=14
(Not your post)
You stepped in it here:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5390951&postcount=35
And here:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5391239&postcount=37
Altered the conversation here by adding your comments about the Japanese treatment in WWII America.
And then you post dragging me through the mud here:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5391666&postcount=79
You called your self out... I directed nothing AT you. ALL I did was answer your posts.
Reading comprehension... hmm... yep...
You’re correct... it does work.
The sheriff in question is interpreting the constitutionality of laws in our favor, so he's a patriot. I bet the conversation would be different if he was going in another direction.
RoadDawg
Nos nostraque Deo
- Dec 6, 2010
- 94,383
Pretty much...
The classic interpretation system...
Statement: “That was the coolest cop ever.”
Translation: “I got off with a warning instead of a citation... for 55 mph in a 40 mph zone.”
Statement: “That cop was an *******.”
Translation: “I was doing 55 mph in a 40 mph zone... and got a citation.”
We see it all the time.
You are splitting hairs. Police are police are police, it matters not what country they come from. They, the police, are used to enforce the civil laws, regulations, rules and dictates.
RoadDawg
Nos nostraque Deo
- Dec 6, 2010
- 94,383
Wrong. Only the name is the same. The job and the laws differ on a grand scale.
TexDefender
Ultimate Member
- Feb 28, 2017
- 1,572
I made no mistake... I knew full well your intentions were directed at me.
Reading comprehension would allow you to see that my comments were originally directed here:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5390402&postcount=14
(Not your post)
You stepped in it here:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5390951&postcount=35
And here:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5391239&postcount=37
Altered the conversation here by adding your comments about the Japanese treatment in WWII America.
And then you post dragging me through the mud here:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5391666&postcount=79
You called your self out... I directed nothing AT you. ALL I did was answer your posts.
Reading comprehension... hmm... yep...
Total BS, as usual... I stand by every response I made, directly or indirectly.
The bottom line for me; " law enforcement, especially in this state, enforce laws that are not constitutionally supported". For anyone, including you, who believe otherwise is either looking through rose colored glass or simply do not care and; "while I may have to live with that reality, to some degree, I don't have to like it and will express so as I see fit"... Don't like my opinions, not my problem.
Now spin that any way you want...
I know that this is not a State v Fed issue but my immediate thought is that State's Rights are cool and good for weed, gay marriage, and sanctuary cities, but bad for scary things like guns. Can't have it both ways. Seattle should comply with Federal drug law if they want to force the issue on the surrounding countryside.
Not that I really care but last time I checked smoking weed is not a Constitutionally protected right. However I agree if you are trampling on a person's civil rights with a State law then there is a serious problem.
Yep, and MD supports that, at all levels of government and enforcement agents, with few exceptions...
I just don't like hypocrisy. We can ignore the law but those lower on the totem pole sure can't ignore us.
As regurgitated here several times, a police officers first duty is not to the Constitution, it's to his paycheck so he can provide for his family. The LEOs paycheck is not in jeopardy when it comes to enforcing unconstitutional laws/policies/orders, and that is the foundation of the problem. LEOs are not your friends, they are enforcers for the state. There are probably 10:1 really awesome friendly cops to aholes with a badge; but at the end of the day their job is law enforcement. And they will enforce the laws regardless of perceived constitutionality. You would do best to keep any and all conversations with an LEO about hot topics such as guns to a minimum, who knows what tomorrow brings with bans in this state. The last thing you want is officer friendly remembering the 200 "hi capacity" magazines you told him about when Larry signs the confiscation bill.
TexDefender
Ultimate Member
- Feb 28, 2017
- 1,572
Not worth the trouble.
Last edited:
I think some of the LEO's are misunderstanding why so many of us are appealing to you for guidance and clarification right now. Cops are human, they are our neighbors, friends, and family, and as such, are more approachable and understandable than politicians and judges (re: the lizard people).
I don't think I am alone in saying that the actions of our politicians and judges are absolutely terrifying in a way most of us have only observed through the study of history. Has there been some misdirected anger towards LEO's? Yes, and I've certainly played my part on that front, but we're still talking because some of us see law enforcement as the last line of defence from a tyrannical state. We are desperately looking for reasons to not lump law enforcement in with the faceless enemy.
Maybe that's not fair, but when people perceive they have been backed into a corner fair and rational discourse becomes increasingly challenging.
All that is to say, "Hey guys, we're on the same team!"
I don't think I am alone in saying that the actions of our politicians and judges are absolutely terrifying in a way most of us have only observed through the study of history. Has there been some misdirected anger towards LEO's? Yes, and I've certainly played my part on that front, but we're still talking because some of us see law enforcement as the last line of defence from a tyrannical state. We are desperately looking for reasons to not lump law enforcement in with the faceless enemy.
Maybe that's not fair, but when people perceive they have been backed into a corner fair and rational discourse becomes increasingly challenging.
All that is to say, "Hey guys, we're on the same team!"
There's a LOT more of this than I think anyone is willing to admit (for obvious reasons).
TexDefender
Ultimate Member
- Feb 28, 2017
- 1,572
Here is what you do: You obey the law, You obey the officers orders, you get yourself an attorney. You don't say anything that can be used against you in a court of law. Give your name, birth date, address if asked. Be polite, calm, cool and collective. You get groups together to collect data, you work with police or law enforcement unions. That is all you can do, because the law is on the books. An street officer has very limited leeway, look what they did to the former Sheriff of Maricopa County Joe Arpaio.
- Status
Users who are viewing this thread
Forum statistics
Latest threads
-
-
-
-
Hair-trigger posting... please include more than just the "headline" (5 Viewers)- Started by Mr H
- Replies: 11
-
-
-
(Duplicate - mods please close) MoCo trans student arrested for threatening school (1 Viewer)- Started by Lafayette
- Replies: 2