VZ2008 or M77 or ???

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  • lsw

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    Sep 2, 2013
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    That's where I've learned the most about them so far. Debating swapping out the rear elevator sight for a peep, going to wait and see how well I do with it first before deciding. Only other changes I may make in the future are getting the cnc break, adding a side rail, and picking up a fixed stock. For now I'll shoot the rifle how it came and go from there.




    Came with 5 mags. All blocked to 10 but a quick trip up to PA solves that problem :D BBPawn also has extra mags for $25 each.

    No bayonet but I'm trying to find one for a decent price.
    Thanks for the tip about the mags at BBPawn. After you install that CNC brake you may forget all about wanting that fixed stock, unless you just want it for the looks.
     

    terp91

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    Mar 14, 2013
    204
    Halethorpe
    Thanks for the tip about the mags at BBPawn. After you install that CNC brake you may forget all about wanting that fixed stock, unless you just want it for the looks.

    Does the CNC brake really make that much of a difference compared to the slant brake? Fixed stock would be dependent on the accuracy of the rifle. The folder locks up tight and seems like it should be fine but we'll see.

    Also, how does everyone's rifle do with different types of ammo? I'm considering getting some FMJ, HP, and SP all at the same time but if either/both of the last two won't feed reliably I'd rather skip them.
     

    lsw

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    Does the CNC brake really make that much of a difference compared to the slant brake? Fixed stock would be dependent on the accuracy of the rifle. The folder locks up tight and seems like it should be fine but we'll see.

    Also, how does everyone's rifle do with different types of ammo? I'm considering getting some FMJ, HP, and SP all at the same time but if either/both of the last two won't feed reliably I'd rather skip them.

    A good brake like this CNC http://www.cncwarrior.com/Knurled-Compensator-M14-X-1-RH-p/23263.htm makes a world of difference on these rifles, at least it did for me. When I first fired mine, i rated it as uncomfortable to be kind. After putting a brake on it and some padding on the stock, it's a pleasure to shoot. I'd say comparable to an AR15 HBAR carbine. BTW before using the brake above, I also tried this model http://www.cncwarrior.com/product-p/22906.htm. It's about equal in effectiveness and a few dollars cheaper, but almost an inch longer.

    I have tried the HP and SP ammo that various steel-case manufacturers produce and had no problems at all with them, however the cavity and SP diameter on those rounds is pretty small compared to what you see on some domestically made hunting bullets. I've never bothered firing any of the high-$ brass cased 7.62x39 so can't comment on how they'd handle any kind of exotic or extreme HP/SP round.
     

    terp91

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    Mar 14, 2013
    204
    Halethorpe
    A good brake like this CNC http://www.cncwarrior.com/Knurled-Compensator-M14-X-1-RH-p/23263.htm makes a world of difference on these rifles, at least it did for me. When I first fired mine, i rated it as uncomfortable to be kind. After putting a brake on it and some padding on the stock, it's a pleasure to shoot. I'd say comparable to an AR15 HBAR carbine. BTW before using the brake above, I also tried this model http://www.cncwarrior.com/product-p/22906.htm. It's about equal in effectiveness and a few dollars cheaper, but almost an inch longer.

    I have tried the HP and SP ammo that various steel-case manufacturers produce and had no problems at all with them, however the cavity and SP diameter on those rounds is pretty small compared to what you see on some domestically made hunting bullets. I've never bothered firing any of the high-$ brass cased 7.62x39 so can't comment on how they'd handle any kind of exotic or extreme HP/SP round.

    I think the shorter one looks a bit better, and if they perform similarly the couple dollars difference wouldn't really matter to me. Just saw the same site also lists a bayonet for the vz58 at $26 on sale. Not sure if that's a good price or not.

    I don't see a need for high cost ammo in 7.62x39 either. Wolf MC in all three are the same cost so figure I'll get some of each to see if one groups better than the others. I wouldn't be hunting with it, got other calibers/rifles for that.
     

    Tito

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    Aug 4, 2013
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    A good brake like this CNC http://www.cncwarrior.com/Knurled-Compensator-M14-X-1-RH-p/23263.htm makes a world of difference on these rifles, at least it did for me. When I first fired mine, i rated it as uncomfortable to be kind. After putting a brake on it and some padding on the stock, it's a pleasure to shoot. I'd say comparable to an AR15 HBAR carbine. BTW before using the brake above, I also tried this model http://www.cncwarrior.com/product-p/22906.htm. It's about equal in effectiveness and a few dollars cheaper, but almost an inch longer.

    I have tried the HP and SP ammo that various steel-case manufacturers produce and had no problems at all with them, however the cavity and SP diameter on those rounds is pretty small compared to what you see on some domestically made hunting bullets. I've never bothered firing any of the high-$ brass cased 7.62x39 so can't comment on how they'd handle any kind of exotic or extreme HP/SP round.[/QUOTE ]

    I think the shorter one looks a bit better, and if they perform similarly the couple dollars difference wouldn't really matter to me. Just saw the same site also lists a bayonet for the vz58 at $26 on sale. Not sure if that's a good price or not.

    I don't see a need for high cost ammo in 7.62x39 either. Wolf MC in all three are the same cost so figure I'll get some of each to see if one groups better than the others. I wouldn't be hunting with it, got other calibers/rifles for that.


    I have that compensator on my folder and it works really well. The felt recoil is just a tadbit > M1 Carbine, imo. With my fixed stock, the recoil is on par with a M1 Carbine.
    Stick with the low cost steel ammo because it will run steel casing all day.
     

    bkuether

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    Jan 18, 2012
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    Marriottsville, MD
    A good brake like this CNC http://www.cncwarrior.com/Knurled-Compensator-M14-X-1-RH-p/23263.htm makes a world of difference on these rifles, at least it did for me. When I first fired mine, i rated it as uncomfortable to be kind. After putting a brake on it and some padding on the stock, it's a pleasure to shoot.

    I am going to second this recommendation. The gun was a little harsh out of the box. Putting the CNC comp on it, tamed it nicely. I also put the fixed stock on, and that helped me as well. The cheek weld on the metal folder was terrible for me. The fixed stock helps with the cheek weld to some degree, although it is no miracle worker. Friends that have shot my VZ complained about the recoil on their face. Do what you want. Just making sure you have enough feedback to make a balanced decision.
     

    amoebicmagician

    Samopal Goblin
    Dec 26, 2012
    4,174
    Columbia, MD
    The CNC warrior brake works extremely well, although their AK-74 style one in a 14/1 RH thread works slightly better on this rifle.

    Sent one of each of them to get melonited with the rifle.

    Waste of time, they came back looking literally EXACTLY the same.

    I thought they didn't really do the brakes until I tried to scratch them
     

    lsw

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    Sep 2, 2013
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    The CNC warrior brake works extremely well, although their AK-74 style one in a 14/1 RH thread works slightly better on this rifle.

    Sent one of each of them to get melonited with the rifle.

    Waste of time, they came back looking literally EXACTLY the same.

    I thought they didn't really do the brakes until I tried to scratch them

    Would love to see a thread with pointers or a link to info on what needs to be done to melonite once of these rifles, or rifles in general. Is a vz2008 with about 2000 rounds through it a good candidate for nitriding, or would a new, unfired one be better? How far down do you have to disassemble the rifle?
     

    MDElite

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    Mar 16, 2011
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    Haven't seen high rock post anything new but BBpawn just posted he has then again, but for $625. I think the price increase is indicative of limited stock

    Yes, limited supply and having to add our extra mags and mag pouches add to the price.

    Thanks
    Dan
     

    Sirex

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    Oct 30, 2010
    10,350
    Westminster, MD
    My VZ shot SP 7.62x39 PPU just fine. I specifically tested it because I wanted to make sure the soft point and polymer tipped Hornady ones shot thru the VZ ok.
     

    protegeV

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    Apr 3, 2011
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    PPU_762x39_123GR_SP_RN.jpg
     

    Scott7891

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    Sep 4, 2007
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    Back in MD sadly
    The .308 has more power, and if Russian sanctions get tighter and cheap 7.62x39 may be squeezed and harder to find

    Commercial 7.62x39 should not be an issue even if Russian imports are cut off.

    Romania and Hungary import steel-cased ammo right now as we speak. Bulgaria makes bimetal, lead core ammo that is also steel cased but for some reason only imports expensive brass ammo. Also would not be surprised if Radom USA hopefully gets Poland to start importing some as well.

    Though it would suck to lose Russian ammo it would not be a total loss.
     

    asdaven

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    Oct 30, 2013
    272
    Maryland

    Waste of time, psa won't even sell those to MD...

    Good suggestions OE ;)

    Not what I heard. I contacted PSA saying I was from Maryland and they told me they would just pull the mags. Screw it. Yeah they won't take money off for the mags but its such a good deal anyhow. Unless they're trying to say the rifle is an AK variant and thus illegal in Maryland.

    Be careful with the M77. I've looked at them too. But and its a big BUT.....MSP ruled from what I understand, that it must stay in sportier configuration per ATF 922-R. That is the Thumbhole stock has to stay and no magazine over ten rounds can be inserted or used in the rifle. Or else it becomes a banned firearm. So, normally you could get cool surplus wood furniture for it with pistol grip after some mods and you could mod M14 20 rounders to work in it. In any other gun friendly state you could do that as long as you made it 922-R compliant with proper US parts count. But with Maryland, it has to stay within the " sporting" configuation and would be illegal in Maryland modifying it regardless rather you make it 922-r compliant or not. It would all of a sudden become an "AK Rifle Variant". That's my understanding of it. So, I'd go VZ-58. Unless you want to be limited to 10 rounds. I want one of those M77s.....but for this reason (cause I'd want to mod it in that fashion)....Maryland ruins my desire to get one. Cause they can say you "manufactured" an illegal AK variant rifle. I don't want that to even come into question.
     

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