VZ2008 or M77 or ???

terp91 · Jan 19, 2015

Which rifle should I get currently and why? Any major factors in favor of one vs the other? Any other semi-auto rifles I should be considering in the sub $700 range?

Right now I only have the funds to get one of them and can't decide which. Most of what I hear about both is good, price on them isn't far enough apart to be an issue. Supply of the vz seems to be drying up so I'm leaning that direction, but it'd be my only 7.62x39 which is what's holding me back.

Haven't seen any indication that supply of the M77 will be an issue in the future, but it's currently on sale from Classic. The more powerful chambering is a plus to me, and I already have a .308 bolt gun so it's not another ammo to stock.

The rifle will mostly just be a range toy and something different for me. I have an AR rifle and am not looking for a pistol caliber carbine at this time so not considering either of these options. Thoughts?

protegeV · Jan 19, 2015

VZ
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terp91 · Jan 19, 2015

Haha okay... why do you say that?

protegeV · Jan 19, 2015

terp91 said:
Haha okay... why do you say that?

Because I have one and I love it. I also like to diversify so buying the m77 just because you already have guns in that caliber is the exact opposite of what I'd do. Plus, like you alluded to, the VZ stock is starting to dry up and if you ever want a vz58 you'll be doubling your price range

c4snipar · Jan 19, 2015

M77 is nice, but is too expensive to shoot for me. I like vz2008 when first got it but after a while, there were some slight problems and I didnt like the look without full mods it was sold.

lsw · Jan 19, 2015

I'd go with the vz2008. High Rock Outfitters is an IP here, located in PA and so is able to sell them with unmodified 30 round mags. I believe Gary recently said that the next batch he gets may be the last because Century is running out of parts kits. I like them so much I bought a second. The cheap ammo is a real plus too.

I understand Century is now building some rifles (probably all AK style) completely within the USA. It would be nice if they could add the VZ2008 to their US-made line too.

WRATHCHILD · Jan 19, 2015

They are both awesome guns. You will get alot more power and accuracy out of the M77. They also have side rails. You can add a side rail to the VZ. You can also still buy the Vepr line of rifles. They do cost more but you can shoot surplus 54r cheaper than x39. The Veprs are very well balanced. The money you save shooting a 54r will pay for another gun. It would be cool if Zastava made a 54r sporter.

myright · Jan 19, 2015

vz 30 round mags go for about $30. m77 mags are $75 for 20 rounders.

terp91 · Jan 19, 2015

protegeV said:
Because I have one and I love it. I also like to diversify so buying the m77 just because you already have guns in that caliber is the exact opposite of what I'd do. Plus, like you alluded to, the VZ stock is starting to dry up and if you ever want a vz58 you'll be doubling your price range

That's fair. I only typically shoot and stock 4 rifle calibers currently so adding a fifth wouldn't be a huge deal to me, I just don't want to end up with 10+ eventually.

c4snipar said:
M77 is nice, but is too expensive to shoot for me. I like vz2008 when first got it but after a while, there were some slight problems and I didnt like the look without full mods it was sold.

What problems did you experience with it? Only mod I could see myself doing would be to get a fixed stock for it, but that depends on how comfortable I find the folding one.

lsw said:
I'd go with the vz2008. High Rock Outfitters is an IP here, located in PA and so is able to sell them with unmodified 30 round mags. I believe Gary recently said that the next batch he gets may be the last because Century is running out of parts kits. I like them so much I bought a second. The cheap ammo is a real plus too.

I understand Century is now building some rifles (probably all AK style) completely within the USA. It would be nice if they could add the VZ2008 to their US-made line too.

I'm between them and Baltimore's Best Pawn, just saw the latter got some more in today. I'd like to compare the rifles side-by-side but not sure if either dealer has both currently. I'll be calling both to check on that tomorrow.

WRATHCHILD said:
They are both awesome guns. You will get alot more power and accuracy out of the M77. They also have side rails. You can add a side rail to the VZ. You can also still buy the Vepr line of rifles. They do cost more but you can shoot surplus 54r cheaper than x39. The Veprs are very well balanced. The money you save shooting a 54r will pay for another gun. It would be cool if Zastava made a 54r sporter.

If you have both, how does the accuracy compare between them? I've read pretty varied reports but not sure what to really take from each as it's always different shooters. Haha I would really like a Vepr but can't swing that kind of budget right now. It's definitely on the list to get one day though.

myright said:
vz 30 round mags go for about $30. m77 mags are $75 for 20 rounders.

I'm not terribly concerned about getting additional mags, I've read about a fair number of mods to make M14 and other mags work for the M77. The number of mags the VZ comes with for the price point definitely works in its favor.

Vile Shadow · Jan 19, 2015

Like Lsw said, VZ parts kits are getting scarce. So I'd go that route.

Plus, the VZ2008 is one of Century's better builds.

Dmacri25 · Jan 19, 2015

Another vz lover here, one of my besy purchases

Jimbob2.0 · Jan 19, 2015

Id go VZ, plus intermediate calibers are fun. Sure we all like raw power but the control and comfortable shooting of an intermediate caliber is definitely a plus. 7.62*39 is highly underrated and can give you a great shooting experience.

Plus its inexpensive.

Reptile · Jan 20, 2015

Another thumbs up for the VZ. I love mine.

jhcrab · Jan 20, 2015

I'm a vz fan; High Rock had a few in stock last week. $500 I think.

protegeV · Jan 20, 2015

jhcrab said:
I'm a vz fan; High Rock had a few in stock last week. $500 I think.

Haven't seen high rock post anything new but BBpawn just posted he has then again, but for $625. I think the price increase is indicative of limited stock

Hicap · Jan 20, 2015

Both

but I'd buy the vz2008 first. Supposedly CAI has stopped production on them so whatever is out the is what's left.

Vile Shadow · Jan 20, 2015

Hicap said:
Both but I'd buy the vz2008 first. Supposedly CAI has stopped production on them so whatever is out the is what's left.

Yep. So git 'em while the gittin's good.

bkuether · Jan 20, 2015

jhcrab said:
I'm a vz fan; High Rock had a few in stock last week. $500 I think.

This. The VZ is going away. You can ALWAYS get a M77 as they are still in production.

Also recommend High Rock Gary is great to deal with, a man of his word.

Do not pass Hanover, do not collect your VZ from anyone else.

If you can find it in under $600 you will be lucky. I have already seen the prices creep over that. Supply and Demand work. But they are NOT working for YOU at this very moment. :rolleyes:

*** Addendum ***

I checked High Rock's page, those VZs may have since dried up. Gary had indicated they were getting very scarce. You can PM him and he will tell you what he is thinking on these.

Sirex · Jan 20, 2015

I have a VZ2008 and a Vepr .308, similar to a Zastava M77. I HAVE shot a M77 and it is a great rifle. What purpose do you have for the rifle? The .308 has more power, and if Russian sanctions get tighter and cheap 7.62x39 may be squeezed and harder to find, .308 may be easier to find. We shot the 7.62 NATO ZQ1 and for the ZQ1 did quite nice. The M77 has more range and power but less capacity. The VZ is a great rifle. Mine is really quite accurate. No jams. The VZ needs a bolt carrier tab to be most reliable but not a big deal. If you get a VZ2008 get one with a pack of mags. Or get one in PA where you can take possession of the 30 round mags. Don't let the Century build sway you. It was basically contracted out to a machine shop for the receiver and Green Mountain makes the barrel. If it were me, I would get the VZ2008 while you can, if you can. The ammo for now is cheaper. Save up and get the M77 later. Or if you wanted to hunt as well just get the more powerful M77. Either rifle is great. But my opinion is Vz 1st, M77 2nd. The Vz is really light and fun to shoot. The M77 is fun and accurate as well. It's kind of a no lose choice either way. In my opinion handling them both.

terp91 · Jan 21, 2015

After reading through everyone's replies and doing a bit more research, I've decided to go with the VZ for now. I work long hours currently so won't be able to make it over to BBPawn until Saturday morning, but hopefully they'll still have one in stock then.

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