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  • knovotny

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    Feb 5, 2013
    980
    Aberdeen, MD
    Unfortunately I will get off work sometime early Saturday morning. Add in the cold, especially after this past Sunday at Delta, and that's not conducive to a good time. Art3, you should shoot 2 guns. Make it worth the drive.
     

    Art3

    Eqinsu Ocha
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 30, 2015
    13,271
    Harford County
    Yes, yesterday's cold soaking rain with intermittant snow and wind was somewhat demoralizing (at Delta, not AGC). The joke at the end of the day seemed to be, "Well, see you in March." (I think it was a joke, because I'm pretty sure there still is a monthly match there through the winter...but it also may not have been a joke because...the cold soaking rain with intermittant snow and wind was somewhat demoralizing).

    A bundled up Katie did pretty good though.
     

    MEGARMS

    KnowNothing
    Jun 3, 2012
    3,843
    Carroll County
    Yes, yesterday's cold soaking rain with intermittant snow and wind was somewhat demoralizing (at Delta, not AGC). The joke at the end of the day seemed to be, "Well, see you in March." (I think it was a joke, because I'm pretty sure there still is a monthly match there through the winter...but it also may not have been a joke because...the cold soaking rain with intermittant snow and wind was somewhat demoralizing).

    A bundled up Katie did pretty good though.


    That was a pretty good string, especially considering she is dressed up like Randy
     

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    Art3

    Eqinsu Ocha
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 30, 2015
    13,271
    Harford County
    That was a pretty good string, especially considering she is dressed up like Randy

    Hey, how did you get a picture of her from another angle :eek:

    This was her fashion for the Delta shoot the month before (which was also rainy, but not as cold). She clearly likes red.
    wet katie delta.JPG

    (I'm sorry that I don't have any AGC Steel footage...that's all locked up in her phone :rolleyes: I might be able to get ahold of it this weekend)
     

    photoracer

    Competition Shooter
    Oct 22, 2010
    3,318
    West Virginia
    On topic question: Would an M1 Carbine be allowed as PCC?

    No. Just 9mm, 40S&W, 357Sig, and .45 ACP only. No FN 5.7 or .22WMR either.
    Maybe 10mm, 38Super, 9x23, or 9x21 but nobody has asked as far as I know. Since none of those would have any real advantage over the slower calibers its probably moot.
     
    On topic question: Would an M1 Carbine be allowed as PCC?

    No. Just 9mm, 40S&W, 357Sig, and .45 ACP only. No FN 5.7 or .22WMR either.
    Maybe 10mm, 38Super, 9x23, or 9x21 but nobody has asked as far as I know. Since none of those would have any real advantage over the slower calibers its probably moot.

    I am not an authority of AGC or the Steel Challenge.
    Per AGC rules, .357 Sig is the most powerful handgun cartridge allowed on the pistol range. Magnums and 5.7 are called out by name as no-go. (.45ACP & .45LC are called out as OK by name) Minimum speed of 750fps is also clarified.
    I have always taken this to mean I cannot shoot steel with my 10mm on the pistol range as it is clearly more powerful than a .357 Sig.

    The above being said, I'm assuming that the common calibers that would work are: .380, 9x18, 9mm, .357 Sig, .38 Special, .40 and .45ACP
     
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    Art3

    Eqinsu Ocha
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    Jan 30, 2015
    13,271
    Harford County
    Gotcha. It would have been fun considering the match is on Pearl Harbor day, but I get it. I know it's a zippy little round. I've never been motivated enough to do the research, but I wonder how it compares to 10mm out of a carbine?

    I also think it's funny (not trying to argue, and AGC isn't the only range that does this) that .357Sig is allowed, but not .357mag. I always thought .357Sig's selling point was that it was ballistically equivalent to .357mag, out of an auto loader. Again, I'm not trying to start anything...just sayin' :shrug:

    I am curious about the rationale behind a minimum speed requirement?
     

    Bikebreath

    R.I.P.
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    Jun 30, 2009
    14,836
    in the bowels of Baltimore
    Gotcha. It would have been fun considering the match is on Pearl Harbor day, but I get it. I know it's a zippy little round. I've never been motivated enough to do the research, but I wonder how it compares to 10mm out of a carbine?

    I also think it's funny (not trying to argue, and AGC isn't the only range that does this) that .357Sig is allowed, but not .357mag. I always thought .357Sig's selling point was that it was ballistically equivalent to .357mag, out of an auto loader. Again, I'm not trying to start anything...just sayin' :shrug:

    I am curious about the rationale behind a minimum speed requirement?

    Might have something to do with PF, Power Factor.

    For those not in the know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor_(shooting_sports)
     
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    MEGARMS

    KnowNothing
    Jun 3, 2012
    3,843
    Carroll County
    No Limited or Single Stack slots?

    Nope. We are keeping it simple for now. Single Stack and Limited would likely fall under Production for this match. I don't believe we have a need to split hairs at this point. If you can give me a compelling reason that I am wrong about that, then I will consider adding those divisions for next time around.
     

    PapiBarcelona

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 1, 2011
    7,343
    I shot a .22 swinger plate with a 5.7 and it barely knocked the paint off

    I shot another plate with my .454 and it knocked the entire thing over everytime.

    All done on my friends backyard range. Stupid? Who knows, but it's fun
     

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