Recent FBI report shows good guys with guns save lives

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  • CrazySanMan

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    Mar 4, 2013
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    https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-us-2016-2017.pdf/view?mc_cid=80f7a906bd&mc_eid=4b5b7ee11b

    “The FBI has designated 50 shootings in 2016 and 2017 as active shooter incidents,” the report summarizes. “Twenty incidents occurred in 2016, while 30 incidents occurred in 2017.
    “The FBI defines an active shooter as one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area,” the report continues. “Implicit in this definition is the shooter’s use of one or more firearms. The active aspect of the definition inherently implies that both law enforcement personnel and citizens have the potential to affect the outcome of the event based upon their responses to the situation. “

    “Eight shooters were stopped by citizens,” the report documents, up from six credited in a 2014/2015 report:
    “In four incidents, citizens possessing valid firearms permits successfully stopped the shooter. In two incidents, citizens exchanged gunfire with the shooter. In two incidents, the citizens held the shooter at gunpoint until law enforcement arrived. In one incident, a citizen possessing a valid firearms permit exchanged gunfire with the shooter, causing the shooter to flee to another scene and continue shooting. In one incident, a citizen possessing a valid firearms permit was wounded before he could fire at the shooter.”
     

    jrumann59

    DILLIGAF
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    Feb 17, 2011
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    “Implicit in this definition is the shooter’s use of one or more firearms. The active aspect of the definition inherently implies that both law enforcement personnel and citizens have the potential to affect the outcome of the event based upon their responses to the situation. “

    Hmmm can't be an active shooter with something that isn't a firearm. If he didn't have a firearm but attempted to kill people with a "make believe" firearm would that be a passive shooter????
     

    sb22

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    Apr 9, 2018
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    Hmmm can't be an active shooter with something that isn't a firearm. If he didn't have a firearm but attempted to kill people with a "make believe" firearm would that be a passive shooter????

    That would make them Democrats. Spewing of nonsense is their "make believe" firearm... Indirectly causing unnecessary deaths through regulatory ignorance?
     

    GolfR

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 20, 2016
    1,324
    Columbia MD
    So 16% were stopped by (presumably) CHP holders? Not bad...

    It would be nice to have this data parsed by state to see if there is a correlation between state laws on carry and likelihood of a citizen stopping an active shooter. Seems like there would have to be but it would be really nice if the data showed that states with more constitutional carry laws resulted in faster and more effective ending of active shooter situations.
     

    lx1x

    Peanut Gallery
    Apr 19, 2009
    26,992
    Maryland
    It would be nice to have this data parsed by state to see if there is a correlation between state laws on carry and likelihood of a citizen stopping an active shooter. Seems like there would have to be but it would be really nice if the data showed that states with more constitutional carry laws resulted in faster and more effective ending of active shooter situations.
    Open the link.. shows where the shooting happened.
     

    AssMan

    Meh...
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    Jan 27, 2011
    16,452
    Somewhere on the James River, VA
    It would be nice to have this data parsed by state to see if there is a correlation between state laws on carry and likelihood of a citizen stopping an active shooter. Seems like there would have to be but it would be really nice if the data showed that states with more constitutional carry laws resulted in faster and more effective ending of active shooter situations.

    Actually, I think that 16% number might be too high, in looking further at the data, it looks like only 5 were stopped by a CHP holder. The others were stopped by unarmed citizens. Looks like Texas, South Carolina, Tennessee and California.
     

    Hawkeye

    The Leatherstocking
    Jan 29, 2009
    3,971
    Actually, I think that 16% number might be too high, in looking further at the data, it looks like only 5 were stopped by a CHP holder. The others were stopped by unarmed citizens. Looks like Texas, South Carolina, Tennessee and California.

    Well, if five out of fifty were stopped by legal gun owners, that's still ten percent. It's a good number / talking point to keep in your back pocket the next time that someone says "good guys with guns are a myth."
     

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