“Long Gun Qual License Dead”

jrh0341 · Mar 11, 2019

rseymorejr said:
You need to remind yourself of the true reason behind all of these laws:

To make owning a gun in Maryland as difficult as possible. If they can discourage new shooters they will eventually win.

This is honestly the real danger. Not just the discouraging of new shooters, but the fact that every household that never owns a gun means youth who'll grow into adults that have never seen a gun.

They want that badly. They need a generation of young adults who've never been hunting or trap shooting with their dad/mom. Who've never shot at scout camp or the school rifle team.

They know that adults who've never seen/handled a gun = adults who don't know that guns aren't the boogeyman.

When Gertz Kuntzman rants about 9 billion round a second fully-semi-automatic thunder machines, they want a generation who have no factual reference to understand how full of shit he is.

Making marksmanship a lost art is a phase of their plan to make bearing arms a lost right.

Kicken Wing · Mar 11, 2019

Rack&Roll said:
From Deep Lurker:

“ I just spoke to delegate Kurt Andersen out on the bricks, and he told me that HJC just pulled the long gun qualification license out of the long gun bill, They are leaving in the requirement for private sellers to run a background check through an FFL”

This, in just the last hour. Thread title is in quotes to establish that this news is hearsay, but comes from a legislator.

Glad to hear that part may be dead. Keeping tabs on the GAM website. Thanks for the update!

Abacab · Mar 12, 2019

Anyone heard from the Lawn Chair on his thoughts for this bill?

Let me guess, he's going to "evaluate it" when it reaches his desk (aka sign it)

K31 · Mar 12, 2019

CyclicUpvote said:
This is honestly the real danger. Not just the discouraging of new shooters, but the fact that every household that never owns a gun means youth who'll grow into adults that have never seen a gun.

They want that badly. They need a generation of young adults who've never been hunting or trap shooting with their dad/mom. Who've never shot at scout camp or the school rifle team.

They know that adults who've never seen/handled a gun = adults who don't know that guns aren't the boogeyman.

When Gertz Kuntzman rants about 9 billion round a second fully-semi-automatic thunder machines, they want a generation who have no factual reference to understand how full of shit he is.

Making marksmanship a lost art is a phase of their plan to make bearing arms a lost right.

Most anti's (the one's like Mommies that are clueless) couldn't conceive of a legal use for a firearm in the first place. They are think legal firearm owners are just crazy rednecks who shoot cute and fuzzy bunnies and are just waiting for the opportunity to shoot up a school. Anything they can do to make it more difficult to own a firearm is a good thing to them. Others are part of the new Socialism, that is, the same old Socialism that knows that they have to disarm the opposition to completely take over and then they can stop the inconvenience of importing voters and getting dead people to vote.

People see firearms in video games and movies. They are intelligent enough to know that for self defence nothing can replace them, the police can get their homes fast enough, there aren't enough of them and they have no legal reponsibility to protect them.

Many people grow up without firearms in the home, never get exposed to sport shooting as a child and yet purchase and hopefully, learn to use them later in life. Many are on this forum.

Inigoes · Mar 12, 2019

rbird7282 said:
Problem with that is that MSP states they need part of that time to check multiple databases and it's more thorough than a standard NICS check. No way they make us wait less than 7 days. This is The People's Republic after all.

If Maryland put all of the criminal information into the NICS, there would be no need to check all of the other databases.

dblas · Mar 12, 2019

rbird7282 said:
Problem with that is that MSP states they need part of that time to check multiple databases and it's more thorough than a standard NICS check. No way they make us wait less than 7 days. This is The People's Republic after all.

NICS is actually one of the 17 databases they check.

dblas · Mar 12, 2019

Ammo Jon said:
I wonder how often those databases are updated? There’s been times where I’ve made multiple handgun purchases in one month, I can’t imagine the database information would be any different within the month. Even if it was every 6 months or something I might see some logic in it.

For the federal database, you would have to ask the FBI, the the state databases, you would have to ask the Department of Public Safety and Corrections since they maintain the LE records for the state. The various court records are maintained by the various circuit and county courts in the state, and I'm not sure that all cases get submitted to Maryland judicial case search. Lastly the Department of Health and Mental Hygene maintains the medical records but does not provide outside access to them. MSP sends them an e-mail and they get and e-mail reply back, on whether or not someone has been admitted to a psyciachtric facility.

motorcoachdoug · Mar 12, 2019

So I am having a senior moment here haha and can not recall the Del name who came up with this bill to begin with. I think its time to make a couple of phone calls about this and so forth... If moms had their way no one except LEO and US Military would have access to firearms but then this is their end goal to begin with....

jrh0341 · Mar 12, 2019

Many people grow up without firearms in the home, never get exposed to sport shooting as a child and yet purchase and hopefully, learn to use them later in life. Many are on this forum.

I agree that one doesn't HAVE to grow up around guns to get into them later, however getting to adulthood without ever seeing one IS a contributor to not understanding them.

You show me someone who has at least been exposed to guns, as in they don't shoot, they don't own any, but their family hunts, or their dad was a cop or whatever, and I'll show you someone who at the bare minimum, doesn't a have that "OMG get it away, no NO, I don't want to touch it, I don't want it in my house!" emotional reaction to the sight of one.

Just saying, in the city, an alarming number of adults have never actually held a firearm in real life, much less shot one. They are the ones who don't know the difference between how guns really are and how guns are portrayed in movies and games. (Example, the antis entire strategy of attacking AR platforms based on the public not understanding the difference between them and their action movie portrayals)

A common discussion I have is with foreigners on this subject. A lot of foreigners have a really overstated view of guns in the US. They honestly think coming to America means everyone on the street cowboying a six shooter around their finger and getting in shootouts all the time or some nonsense.

Why? Because in their country they only hear the stories, and they almost never actually see guns, so it seems like a big crazy deal.

I like to explain to them, foreigners think of guns in America like Americans think of poisonous critters in Australia. Yes, they exist, but they're not lurking behind every country stalking you like overblown stories make it out.

ironpony · Mar 12, 2019

Whole bill needs to go.

Xbox

Kicken Wing · Mar 12, 2019

CyclicUpvote said:
I agree that one doesn't HAVE to grow up around guns to get into them later, however getting to adulthood without ever seeing one IS a contributor to not understanding them.

You show me someone who has at least been exposed to guns, as in they don't shoot, they don't own any, but their family hunts, or their dad was a cop or whatever, and I'll show you someone who at the bare minimum, doesn't a have that "OMG get it away, no NO, I don't want to touch it, I don't want it in my house!" emotional reaction to the sight of one.

Just saying, in the city, an alarming number of adults have never actually held a firearm in real life, much less shot one. They are the ones who don't know the difference between how guns really are and how guns are portrayed in movies and games. (Example, the antis entire strategy of attacking AR platforms based on the public not understanding the difference between them and their action movie portrayals)

A common discussion I have is with foreigners on this subject. A lot of foreigners have a really overstated view of guns in the US. They honestly think coming to America means everyone on the street cowboying a six shooter around their finger and getting in shootouts all the time or some nonsense.

Why? Because in their country they only hear the stories, and they almost never actually see guns, so it seems like a big crazy deal.

I like to explain to them, foreigners think of guns in America like Americans think of poisonous critters in Australia. Yes, they exist, but they're not lurking behind every country stalking you like overblown stories make it out.

I get what both K31 and you are saying. I am one of those people that did not grow up around guns but love them today. I totally get the analogy of an entire generation growing up without anyone around them owning a firearm. That is a weird thought but not totally out of the realm of possibility. Well said, CyclicUpvote. It is sad when peoples only exposure to firearms are on the news, bad things happening in their neighborhoods, movies, etc. There are a lot of positive attributes associated with guns and shooting outside of the points that I just made. It's sad that certain people will never have that positive exposure.

jc1240 · Mar 12, 2019

zoostation said:
Meanwhile Baltimore City had 300 murders last year and they've done nothing regarding that. More important they get their little emotional thrill at feeling like they screwed with the conservatives. And the hobby mommies can go back to their book clubs and boast about how they bravely ate lunch an hour late one day in order to help pass laws that mean nothing. Disgusting people all.

Not true. The hired a new commish at $275,000/year. The city is saved!

Uncle Duke · Mar 12, 2019

jc1240 said:
Not true. The hired a new commish at $275,000/year. The city is saved!

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Ammo Jon · Mar 12, 2019

jc1240 said:
Not true. The hired a new commish at $275,000/year. The city is saved!

Shame the position is political. Going to battle with both hands tied behind their back.

teratos · Mar 12, 2019

K31 said:
Most anti's (the one's like Mommies that are clueless) couldn't conceive of a legal use for a firearm in the first place. They are think legal firearm owners are just crazy rednecks who shoot cute and fuzzy bunnies and are just waiting for the opportunity to shoot up a school.

This is what people need to understand. The mommies believe this with the vigor we believe in the 2A. In addition to the above, they firmly believe we are white supremacists with a White Nationalist agenda.

lazarus · Mar 12, 2019

Ammo Jon said:
They could always add a complete background check to the HQL process and forego 7 day waiting period.

Never understood 7 day waiting period after initial gun purchase. I’m heated and about to kill a person but it would be in bad taste to use an existing gun.

Same same. It should be pretty easy to do an electronic check to make sure your license is current. Then do periodic reviews of licenses. At least for MD they can set it up so any reported disqualifying events in MD suspends your license.

Ammo Jon · Mar 12, 2019

teratos said:
This is what people need to understand. The mommies believe this with the vigor we believe in the 2A. In addition to the above, they firmly believe we are white supremacists with a White Nationalist agenda.

I disagree, the feeling I get is that they are just doing their job. If they were paid by the National Mahjong Association they would badmouth the National Bridge Association. They seem like a bunch of stay at home mothers that are looking for something to do now that the kids are getting older but no real passion or conviction beyond that.

mrbob1000 · Mar 12, 2019

Ammo Jon said:
I disagree, the feeling I get is that they are just doing their job. If they were paid by the National Mahjong Association they would badmouth the National Bridge Association. They seem like a bunch of stay at home mothers that are looking for something to do now that the kids are getting older but no real passion or conviction beyond that.

Now now, some of them are employed, by either big Mike in NY or by their own multi-level-marketing (pyramid scheme) company. Those essential oils won't sell themselves!

Mr. Ed · Mar 12, 2019

Ammo Jon said:
I disagree, the feeling I get is that they are just doing their job. If they were paid by the National Mahjong Association they would badmouth the National Bridge Association. They seem like a bunch of stay at home mothers that are looking for something to do now that the kids are getting older but no real passion or conviction beyond that.

Totally agree with you. But I think it's more of a cult. Cults usually have a charismatic leader who offers some sort of fulfillment to otherwise meaningless lives (remember EST?). There's a sense of safety and camaraderie in groups where the individuals don't have to think for themselves, but can simply recite the mantras they've been taught. As long as they tow the line, they are protected by their fellow sycophants.

teratos · Mar 12, 2019

Ammo Jon said:
I disagree, the feeling I get is that they are just doing their job. If they were paid by the National Mahjong Association they would badmouth the National Bridge Association. They seem like a bunch of stay at home mothers that are looking for something to do now that the kids are getting older but no real passion or conviction beyond that.

Those at the top are paid. Some come down of their own volition. The role of the paid parties is to whip the rank and file members into a frenzy. Have you read their social media pages? The posts from the brass are well thought out and put in all the buzzwords. The lackeys latch on to the teat.

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