WUSA9 - Hogan promotes gun reform bills

Matlack · Feb 6, 2020

erwos said:
Is there data on dropped charges out there? I feel like a better case could be made to the public if we could say "hey, in 80% of cases ending with a conviction, this particular charge gets dropped"

Yes. States attorneys opponents usually tout the plea deal % when the states attorney shows a statistic of 98% conviction rate. Plea deals = conviction. They also have a stat for % crimes involving handgun, etc. Then just apply the % plea deal and you know how many have been dropped. They may keep the straight data, but it probably requires foia.

danb · Feb 6, 2020

davsco said:
honestly, who the f cares? get and keep the actual bad guys off the streets and crime has to go down. and while perhaps not measurable, surely there will be a little deterrence when folks see that crime is actually met with punishment.

but even if it is proven there is zero deterrence, i still want seriously harsh and long penalties to get and keep violent offenders off our streets.

Well, to be completely fair, for crime to actually go down permanently we have to put them in jail faster than piss poor Baltimore public schools can mint new ones.

locking up criminals is only half the battle.

davsco · Feb 6, 2020

danb said:
Well, to be completely fair, for crime to actually go down permanently we have to put them in jail faster than piss poor Baltimore public schools can mint new ones.

locking up criminals is only half the battle.

yeah, and then there's that... but at least if a real bad guy is rotting in prison, we can be sure his crime spree has stopped.

Mark75H · Feb 6, 2020

Hogan is their boogeyman. Anything he proposes will be rejected.

He needs to propose early release and dropping all charges

Biggfoot44 · Feb 6, 2020

There is a Baltimore " Excile " program , but it opperates substantially differently than the original program in Richmond . Richmond was focused specifically on putting away Felons in Possession for 5yr each . Baltimore's is much broader ( diluted ? ) with various federal agents working in task force with BPD , doing a variety of things .

On topic here, in Baltimore the vast majority of firearms cases are handled under state law in state courts .

In Richmond , the first year had 33% reduction in homicides, and 30% reduction in armed robbery . After 8yrs had cumulative 53% reduction in homicides . With the other approach , Baltimore is , well , Baltimore .

Mack C-85 · Feb 6, 2020

Biggfoot44 said:
There is a Baltimore " Excile " program , but it opperates substantially differently than the original program in Richmond . Richmond was focused specifically on putting away Felons in Possession for 5yr each . Baltimore's is much broader ( diluted ? ) with various federal agents working in task force with BPD , doing a variety of things .

On topic here, in Baltimore the vast majority of firearms cases are handled under state law in state courts .

In Richmond , the first year had 33% reduction in homicides, and 30% reduction in armed robbery . After 8yrs had cumulative 53% reduction in homicides . With the other approach , Baltimore is , well , Baltimore .

Yes, Project Exile worked very well in Richmond. That is until the "adversely effects minorities" Politicians got involved.

Those same style Politicians are the reason Baltimore has the violent crimes issues it does.

When are we going to address the huge elephant in the room.....that Minorities adversely effect violent crime rates.

Not a racist, just a realist.

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Bob A · Feb 6, 2020

Mack C-85 said:
Yes, Project Exile worked very well in Richmond. That is until the "adversely effects minorities" Politicians got involved.

Those same style Politicians are the reason Baltimore has the violent crimes issues it does.

When are we going to address the huge elephant in the room.....that Minorities adversely effect violent crime rates.

Not a racist, just a realist.

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The only "minority" that is singled out for the Exile treatment is . . . murderers.

So unfair.

E.Shell · Feb 6, 2020

While passing all of these new laws is certainly laborious and media-worthy, all he has to do is change G&S with simple stroke of the pen and make a goodly portion of helpless victims not helpless victims any more, and a fair number of bad seeds might get planted at minimal cost to the state.

I do like the Judicial Transparency Act...nothing else matters if they don't get convicted.

Kicken Wing · Feb 6, 2020

As I recall a few similar bills were presented before the house and senate last year only to be shelved. I can't believe the mentality of the majority of our MGA. Hogan even commented last year that this is the most crime friendly MGA that he has ever seen. MGA... Murderer's Generosity Achievement award.

RoadDawg · Feb 7, 2020

Matlack said:
Except, those charges are constantly dropped or the sentences are suspended. So it doesn't actually do anything.

This part addresses that very well...

Judicial Transparency Act of 2019, which will require the Maryland State Commission on Criminal Sentencing Policy to publish detailed, judge-by-judge information on the actual sentences that are handed down for violent crimes across the state.

When the names of the judges are publicly tied to their rulings... they won’t be so lenient on sentencing. Revolving doors will slam shut in a hurry.

RoadDawg · Feb 7, 2020

E.Shell said:
While passing all of these new laws is certainly laborious and media-worthy, all he has to do is change G&S with simple stroke of the pen and make a goodly portion of helpless victims not helpless victims any more, and a fair number of bad seeds might get planted at minimal cost to the state.

I do like the Judicial Transparency Act...nothing else matters if they don't get convicted.

roadking · Feb 7, 2020

JerseyMike said:
Is there any evidence that harsh mandatory minimums do anything to deter criminal activity? Everything I’ve seen says they don’t. I see a lot of you propose this as a solution, can you drop some knowledge on me (with sources preferably).

It’s not about deterring criminal activity. It’s about getting known, repeatedly dangerous people out of society so that they can’t hurt again. You don’t leave a tumor in the body. You get it out so it stops attacking healthy cells. You don’t reform it. You don’t seek justice (or revenge) at it. You just get it the hell out of there so it can’t continue to harm. And you hopefully take other actions in parallel, to help prevent new tumors from developing.

Mandatory mins isn’t a silver bullet. Or a single solution. It’s a measure to protect society today. So those repeat, violent criminals don’t kill someone else. The longer term solutions (like education and then jobs, once the citizens are employable) have to come along, too. But get the proven killers away from anyone before they can hurt again.

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ironhead7544 · Feb 8, 2020

I would like to see the percentage of gun charges plea bargained down. The criminals give up their buddies to get a lighter sentence.

An older study showed one FL county plea bargained down 98% of gun charges. Another bordering county plea bargained down 93%. Seemed useless to have gun laws except as a bargaining tool for the DA.

Biggfoot44 · Feb 8, 2020

I won't go into it again on the board at length , but I have done some research cross referencing on this with court records . Catch up with me at most MSI events or a cold beverage , and I can talk your ear off .

LRoberts · Feb 12, 2020

Uncle Duke said:
Catch and Release needs to end. High time "the judges" and "the prosecutors" had actual names, and for the public they serve to be able to apply the scrutiny and the oversight that they've clearly demonstrated they so desperately need.

Yep, and whatever happened to Court Watch reporting? I reckon that went the way of the honest, patriotic press, now the Lame-Stream Media.
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LRoberts · Feb 12, 2020

XRider said:
Another aspect of Exile was that, being a fed conviction they could be exiled to a fed prison well away from their home.

... whereby from there they would be released on a different group of innocent citizens.
.

jc1240 · Feb 13, 2020

Uncle Duke said:
Catch and Release needs to end. High time "the judges" and "the prosecutors" had actual names, and for the public they serve to be able to apply the scrutiny and the oversight that they've clearly demonstrated they so desperately need.

Stolen from WCBM, but I'm running with it -

MD - more concerned about releasing balloons than releasing rapists and murderers.

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