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andyman · Jul 28, 2009

Does anyone have a general percentage of the population who is allowed to purchase/own a firearm. (isn't disqualified for some reason or another) Secondly does anyone know how many CCW permits are currently valid in MD. Is there a breakdown as to proffesional permits and personal permits?

andy

BigCity · Jul 28, 2009

Your question was posted a month or so ago. You can do a search to find your answer.

andyman · Jul 28, 2009

Thanks I'll try again. My google -fu is not powerful like novus

novus collectus · Jul 28, 2009

andyman said:
Does anyone have a general percentage of the population who is allowed to purchase/own a firearm. (isn't disqualified for some reason or another) Secondly does anyone know how many CCW permits are currently valid in MD. Is there a breakdown as to proffesional permits and personal permits?

andy

Yes and yes.

This is a few years old and from the previous MSI page (the new one is way more user friendly), but it still gives an excellent idea of the handgun permits in MD (It is not a concealed carry permit, it is a handgun permit). http://www.marylandshallissue.org/ccwdata.html

As far as the general percentage I will have to do some research again but I know it is available from the Department of Justice which has compiled information on how many people have felony convictions. I think it was about four million or so with about eight million max. Been a while since I loked though and may be of a bit.

Also there is the annual state police report on the number of issued permits for last year. I will find that too.

novus collectus · Jul 28, 2009

Bottom of page 29
http://www.mdsp.org/downloads/2008_Annual_Report.pdf

novus collectus · Jul 28, 2009

As of December 31, 2001, there were an estimated 5.6 million adults who had ever served time in State or Federal prison, including 4.3 million former prisoners and 1.3 million adults in prison. [Novus note: since some of these people are now dead and there are of course new convictees since, this number is just a ballpark, but should be higher regardless and maybe close to seven or eight million by now]

In 2001, an estimated 2.7% of adults in the U.S. had served time in prison, up from 1.8% in 1991 and 1.3% in 1974. [Novus note, not all people who serve time in jail become prohibtted persons and many who are convicted and do not serve time in jail are]

[only of inmates currently incarcerated in 2001]
-- nearly half were sentenced for a violent crime (49%)
-- a fifth were sentenced for a property crime (20%) [Note: property crimes are not always felonies of more than one year or misdemeanors of more than two]
-- about a fifth were sentenced for a drug crime (21%) [ditto]

In 2001 6% of the current prison population were not citizens and were likely prohibitted persons anyway. This percentage of the total number is probably much higher now.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#lifetime

Out of 300,000,000 US residents, about 280,000,000 are legal US residents or citizens. Out of this maybe eight to ten million at most are prohibitted persons due to criminal conviction. Out of this the people adjudicated a mental defficient is small I believe and might be twenty million at the highest extreme I can imagine.
Assuming kids can own guns in most states and possess them, but with the majority living in states that generally prohibit it, we can say that most of the 80,000,000 kids under 18 are prohibitted persons (of course many are prohibitted because of alien status, criminal record or mental deficiency anyway).
I am wildly guessing that out of the 220 million adults (including illegals and felons), 180 million to 200 million are not prohibitted persons (remember, some of the 80 million kids are not prohibitted persons either).

andyman · Jul 28, 2009

so let's do some quick math

5,600,000 people in maryland minus
1,383,200 under 18 24.7% minus
168,000 convicts 3% minus
280,000 mental deficient 5%
280,000 catch all TROs, gun conviction etc
3,488,800 not prohibited persons in maryland

11,000 active permits x 2% issued for non work related
220 citizen permits

220/3,488,800 = 0.00006306% chance of having a citizen permit in maryland

or conversely a 99.999937% chance that a criminal will find you defenseless

That's really pitifull

andy

andyman · Jul 28, 2009

We should try to get some verified statistics about this and print up t-shirts for open holster day #2

Something like "Criminals know there is a 99.999937% chance that you are a defensless victim, does that seem fair"

or something more clever than I can think of. I think that would help make our point a little more personal.

andy

novus collectus · Jul 28, 2009

andyman said:
so let's do some quick math

5,600,000 people in maryland minus
1,383,200 under 18 24.7% minus
168,000 convicts 3% minus
280,000 mental deficient 5%
280,000 catch all TROs, gun conviction etc
3,488,800 not prohibited persons in maryland

11,000 active permits x 2% issued for non work related
220 citizen permits

220/3,488,800 = 0.00006306% chance of having a citizen permit in maryland

or conversely a 99.999937% chance that a criminal will find you defenseless

That's really pitifull

andy

Northern Ireland has a population of 1.7 million people with only about 1.2 million over 18. N. Ireland has 10,000 handgun carry permit holders for personal protection. N. Ireland is a member of the UK and yet they have more than 20 times more carry permits for personal protection. About one in 120 people in N. Ireland is armed in public.

WHen compared to a European country that is supposed to be more restrictive and more "progressive", the Maryland situation becomes apparently rather silly.

andyman · Jul 28, 2009

We keep hearing about "having all these people running around with guns" when the numbers are statistically 0. The only people who have guns are cops and criminals. It's absurd

andy

Brychan · Jul 29, 2009

andyman said:
We keep hearing about "having all these people running around with guns" when the numbers are statistically 0. The only people who have guns are cops and criminals. It's absurd

andy

And I'm pretty sure the criminals out number the police by a wide margin

Jay · Jul 29, 2009

andyman said:
We keep hearing about "having all these people running around with guns" when the numbers are statistically 0. The only people who have guns are cops and criminals. It's absurd

andy

Brychan said:
And I'm pretty sure the criminals out number the police by a wide margin

+1 for each of you. I can't agree more with you guys.

novus collectus · Jul 29, 2009

Brychan said:
And I'm pretty sure the criminals out number the police by a wide margin

According to the FBI statistics there are just about a million active duty police officers in the US. While most crimes are reportedly are committed by a small percentage (something like 90% of the crime is perpetrated by 10% of the criminals.....or something like that), there are about five million reported crimes a year of which about 1.4 million (roundabout numbers) are violent crimes.
Not counting the millions already in prison, yes, the police are likely very much outnumbered by the criminals in this country.

fightinbluhen51 · Jul 29, 2009

novus collectus said:
According to the FBI statistics there are just about a million active duty police officers in the US. While most crimes are reportedly are committed by a small percentage (something like 90% of the crime is perpetrated by 10% of the criminals.....or something like that), there are about five million reported crimes a year of which about 1.4 million (roundabout numbers) are violent crimes.
Not counting the millions already in prison, yes, the police are likely very much outnumbered by the criminals in this country.

Then through on top of that SCOTUS precedent that they do not have a duty to protect the individual.

pcfixer · Jul 30, 2009

novus collectus said:
According to the FBI statistics there are just about a million active duty police officers in the US. While most crimes are reportedly are committed by a small percentage (something like 90% of the crime is perpetrated by 10% of the criminals.....or something like that), there are about five million reported crimes a year of which about 1.4 million (roundabout numbers) are violent crimes.
Not counting the millions already in prison, yes, the police are likely very much outnumbered by the criminals in this country.

One could then conclude if the number of CCW permits would go up
significantly then crime would be reduced???

rambling_one · Jul 30, 2009

O'Malley's Search to Save Money

pcfixer said:
One could then conclude if the number of CCW permits would go up significantly then crime would be reduced???

Today's Wash Post (PG Extra Section) has an article entitled, "Ideas That Make Cents," with a lead-in reading: Got an idea that could save MD a few pennies? E-Mail the governor at www.governor.maryland.gov/budgetcuts.asp.

This would be a perfect opportunity to show the guv statistics related to decreased crime (and related costs) in shall-issue states. On the flip side, Democrats are better at raising money than cutting costs. Increasing CCW permits would mean more revenue with virtually no down-side since firearm crimes committed by permit holders are miniscule.

On another front, is there money to be saved vis-a-vis the empty casing fiasco? While the State no longer funds the program, Maryland gun owners remain hostage to it. Knowing government bureaucracies, one might suspect MSP of including some operational cost in it's budget requirements.

novus collectus · Jul 30, 2009

How many people have non-resident permits for those states which do not recognize non-resident permits of other states?
If we can find out how many people have non-resident permits from those states and we can use that as evidence of the number of non-resident applications for Maryland there may be if MD goes shall issue.

pcfixer · Jul 30, 2009

rambling_one said:
Today's Wash Post (PG Extra Section) has an article entitled, "Ideas That Make Cents," with a lead-in reading: Got an idea that could save MD a few pennies? E-Mail the governor at www.governor.maryland.gov/budgetcuts.asp.

This would be a perfect opportunity to show the guv statistics related to decreased crime (and related costs) in shall-issue states. On the flip side, Democrats are better at raising money than cutting costs. Increasing CCW permits would mean more revenue with virtually no down-side since firearm crimes committed by permit holders are miniscule.

On another front, is there money to be saved vis-a-vis the empty casing fiasco? While the State no longer funds the program, Maryland gun owners remain hostage to it. Knowing government bureaucracies, one might suspect MSP of including some operational cost in it's budget requirements.

I sent the Gov the statistics related to 5 surrounding states related to CCW and crime.......NO Response from his office.

I sent and aked for information of the 5 Mil dollar casing fiasco. Why? Also NO Response. If MSI or people from this board would follow suit....post the email you sent so we could do that unitedly...then maybe we could see some results?? good ideas!!!!

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