Rifle In Motor Vehicle ?'s

Please cite an instance in MD where a person legally carrying a long gun was shot by police.

That’s what I thought

marc357 said:

So... cops only shoot people who point guns at them? GTFO.

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What furtive movements would you take when armed in the presence of a cop?

The point being carrying a long gun in MD is not illegal as was incorrectly posted.

Any ideations about what might happen is simple conjecture, not factual.

Blaster229 said:

What furtive movements would you take when armed in the presence of a cop?

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Just use common sense...which doesn’t seem to be that common anymore. Loaded long gun in the back of the car when stopped keep hands visible, inform cop of weapon so he is not surprised. Follow instructions. Same if concealed carry. They are not stopping you because of your weapons!

As has been pointed out more than once in this very thread,, carry of a loaded long gun in a vehicle in MD is illegal

Carry outside of a vehicle is not.
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This thread makes my head hurt. The law is plain and simple. I really like how some will argue their opinion instead of facts. The demeanor of the driver will also determine how the police interact with you. But the fact still remains, it is legal.

The voice of reason.

j_h_smith said:

This thread makes my head hurt. The law is plain and simple. I really like how some will argue their opinion instead of facts. The demeanor of the driver will also determine how the police interact with you. But the fact still remains, it is legal.

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If you don't like an answer...argue.

If you are losing the argument...sh1t on whomever you're losing to.

If you're still losing...report them for something truly egregious and made up.

Simple.

Yep. Them facts be stubborn things.

Nnztg8r said:

If you don't like an answer...argue.

If you are losing the argument...sh1t on whomever you're losing to.

If you're still losing...report them for something truly egregious and made up.

Simple.

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And depending on the outcome of the red flag bill, maybe get their firearms confiscated.

That's what hurt feeling reports are for.

"and a rifle containing any ammunition in the magazine or chamber" ... is a little vague as it relates to whether or not that magazine is or isn't attached to the rifle.

The word "containing" removes any ambiguity IMO.

test the wording by removing the word OR for each condition.

Just my interpretation.

swinokur said:

The word "containing" removes any ambiguity IMO.

test the wording by removing the word OR for each condition.

Just my interpretation.

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So, best to ignore advice up-thread implying it's OK to have detached mags loaded.

No if the rifle does not contain a loaded magazine or ammo in the chamber it's legal

My opinion

And the AG opinion on loaded mags was written in response to handgun transport under SS 4-203, so that doesn't apply.

But as I read it if the loaded magazine is not contained in the rifle, it's legal.

YMMV

Mightydog said:

Just use common sense...which doesn’t seem to be that common anymore. Loaded long gun in the back of the car when stopped keep hands visible, inform cop of weapon so he is not surprised. Follow instructions. Same if concealed carry. They are not stopping you because of your weapons!

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WHY would you tell the LEO what's in the back of your car ? And why would you be transporting a loaded rifle to begin with ?

If you've already got your CCW, why take a chance on something that while legal according to the laws may come back and bite you in the a$$

swinokur said:

The point being carrying a long gun in MD is not illegal as was incorrectly posted.

Any ideations about what might happen is simple conjecture, not factual.

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Here's my actual experience, not "Conjecture":

My partner and I were working on a job site in MoCoMD. Thought I had heard a couple shots in the strip of woods between there and the next neighborhood over, but wasn't 100% sure. Noisy job site, using nail guns ourselves, etc. Dismissed it.

Then, as we were up on the roof about 4 feet apart, a bullet passed right between us. Scared the crap out of us. And since the shot came right toward us, we clearly heard the report, turned and saw a couple kids in the woods with a rifle. My partner hollered, "WTF!" and they ran.

We followed after them to the spot where they were, they had dropped an old Sears .22 single shot rifle, probably from the 1940s. We decided we shouldn't leave it there, where other kids might find it, we picked it up and continued after, up the hill to where we had seen them go. We popped out of the woods into the next neighborhood, figured they had gone into one of the houses there but couldn't determine which one.

We decided to walk the long way around (on the street) back to the job site and call the police. (this was before the turn of the century, before everyone carried cell phones everywhere)

When they showed up, they were highly agitated. They said, "Oh- we've been driving around looking for you two stupid a-holes, we got a "man with a gun" call- someone walking down the street with a rifle, WTF is wrong with you- do you *want*to get shot? Because that's a pretty good way to get shot."

"Had we found you carrying a rifle down the street like an idiot, you would have ended up face down in the dirt with guns pointed at you until we sorted it out, and if you had made any "furtive movements" (there's that word again)- you would have got your ass shot."

I reminded them that we the ones who had called them, the ones who had nearly been shot, and that I didn't really expect to be cursed at by them- and they calmed down a little bit- but I think I got a pretty good idea of how they felt about it.

And this was in a nice MoCo neighborhood, not Baltimore-
And this was a rusty old single shot .22, not an AR-15.

So, can I cite a case of a person being shot by police for carrying a rifle down the street? Nope.

Can I cite an instance of being threatened by 2 MoCo police officers with being shot (or at least being drawn down on and dealt with harshly) for doing it?
Yep.

Maybe we can just agree that *your* experience is different than *my* experience.

And "what is the law actually?"

"Whatever the guy enforcing it right here and now says it is."

Maybe its one of those "difference between theory and practice" things.

So what an agitated cop told you he would do you cite as fact?

Ok sure thing

LOL

Probably best to agree to disagree at this point.