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Old November 26th, 2021, 11:26 AM #31
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I don`t know if this was brought up if it has I please point me to the thread..what do you think would happen in states that are May issue(No Issue) if the NY law is struck and Shall Issue becomes law..would they recognize residents with non-res permits from other states and give a timeframe to apply for a resident LTC?.. If struck there will be a floodgate opened that states like NY,NJ & MD unable to process applications in a timely manner..Thoughts?
Simple answer. no.

I highly doubt that SCOTUS will write the opinion in a way that will require states to recognize out of state permits.

However, I am aware of at least 4 lawsuits being prepared to be filed as soon as SCOTUS releases their opinion to push the issue of reciprocity.

The states that will be sued in multiple different circuit courts to hopefully produce a circuit split will be the states that are the worst offenders of reciprocity. Such states as CA, HI, OR, IL, MD, MA, D.C. NY, NJ, FL, etc…

Don’t look for nationwide reciprocity until either the courts rule it so, or until republicans have a national Trifecta again.
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or until republicans have a national Trifecta again.
Don't count on it. The republicans screwed the pooch the first 2 years of the Trump administration.

The courts are the answer.
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Simple answer. no.

I highly doubt that SCOTUS will write the opinion in a way that will require states to recognize out of state permits.

However, I am aware of at least 4 lawsuits being prepared to be filed as soon as SCOTUS releases their opinion to push the issue of reciprocity.

The states that will be sued in multiple different circuit courts to hopefully produce a circuit split will be the states that are the worst offenders of reciprocity. Such states as CA, HI, OR, IL, MD, MA, D.C. NY, NJ, FL, etc…

Don’t look for nationwide reciprocity until either the courts rule it so, or until republicans have a national Trifecta again.
If carry outside the home is established as a right, reciprocity will be necessary. I cannot be deprived of my 1A right because I went to West Virginia to see my sister. The 2A is no different. Those cases will be quick.
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If carry outside the home is established as a right, reciprocity will be necessary. I cannot be deprived of my 1A right because I went to West Virginia to see my sister sister/mother. The 2A is no different. Those cases will be quick.
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Don't count on it. The republicans screwed the pooch the first 2 years of the Trump administration.

The courts are the answer.
You maybe right about that, but we have to get a trifecta first, and that’s much easier said then done sadly.

We might regain control of the Senate in 2022, but I doubt we will of the house.
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If carry outside the home is established as a right, reciprocity will be necessary. I cannot be deprived of my 1A right because I went to West Virginia to see my sister. The 2A is no different. Those cases will be quick.
I agree with you 100% however it will of course take a few legal battles sadly to force some states to do so.

Most other states are slowly jumping on the bandwagon of reciprocity for all other states by either passing constitutional carry, or recognizing all other permits.

South Carolina for example still has a constitutional carry bill that’s still alive, as well as a bill to recognize all other states LTC’s
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You maybe right about that, but we have to get a trifecta first, and that’s much easier said then done sadly.

We might regain control of the Senate in 2022, but I doubt we will of the house.
Control of the senate and filibuster-proof control of the senate are two different things. We ain't gonna see 60+ seats there any time soon. Only way to get Ds in the senate to play ball is to use an R majority in the house (and an R executive) to make them completely beholden to playing nice with the Rs in the senate if they want any shiny budget toys at all. But they've already shown a willingness to throw their entire (toxic anyway, let's face it) agenda under the buss if they can claim procedural (ie, filibuster) victories that frustrate the conservatives on:

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You maybe right about that, but we have to get a trifecta first, and that’s much easier said then done sadly.

We might regain control of the Senate in 2022, but I doubt we will of the house.
The republicans are good sniping the Democrats.

The Republicans forgot how to govern though.
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Control of the senate and filibuster-proof control of the senate are two different things. We ain't gonna see 60+ seats there any time soon. Only way to get Ds in the senate to play ball is to use an R majority in the house (and an R executive) to make them completely beholden to playing nice with the Rs in the senate if they want any shiny budget toys at all. But they've already shown a willingness to throw their entire (toxic anyway, let's face it) agenda under the buss if they can claim procedural (ie, filibuster) victories that frustrate the conservatives on:

1) Abortion
2) Guns

Bonus Pyrrhic Victories:

3) Taxes
4) Regulation
5) Screwing with R-appointed Judges/Justices
I was trying to be a little sarcastic there… sadly I doubt we will get a Trifecta control anytime soon. Control as far as being able to pass what we want, without the democrats being able to do much to stop it. Which like I was saying isn’t going to be anytime soon.
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