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Old November 21st, 2021, 03:28 PM #1
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New York rifle and Pistol case: what's next?

Nobody really knows how the supreme court will rule in this case. Let's assume for the moment that they rule in favor and strike down state may issue schemes clearly. What's next? I'm asking because I'm not an attorney and would like to hear from the MSF brain trust.

1. Would all may-issue states be required to amend their laws to be shall issue? (IE state must show cause to deny VS citizens must show cause to require) or would each state need to be sued first?

2. If states are required to amend laws, what do we think they will look like? I anticipate much longer lists of disqualifying conditions, unless SCOTUS deals with what are reasonable restrictions based on text and history.
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Old November 21st, 2021, 03:31 PM #2
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I think it's a safe bet our Marylandistan overlords will continue to make it as difficult as possible to obtain a wear and carry permit. I don't expect anything to change for us regular citizens for several years, if at all.
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You'd think states would change their laws to comply willingly

More likely they will need to be sued I'm betting
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If you want to see what a dedicated anti gun jurisdiction looks like after being forced into shall issue , look at DC and Illinois .

The changing dynamics subquently will involve the numbers of newly enabled Permit holders , and those who could see themselves doing so at time of their choosing , politically pushing back against the most egregious aspects .
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Nobody really knows how the supreme court will rule in this case. Let's assume for the moment that they rule in favor and strike down state may issue schemes clearly. What's next? I'm asking because I'm not an attorney and would like to hear from the MSF brain trust.

1. Would all may-issue states be required to amend their laws to be shall issue? (IE state must show cause to deny VS citizens must show cause to require) or would each state need to be sued first?

2. If states are required to amend laws, what do we think they will look like? I anticipate much longer lists of disqualifying conditions, unless SCOTUS deals with what are reasonable restrictions based on text and history.
There is another case MSI v MD which is currently on hold waiting on this case with NY.

So based on the specifics of this case, is what will happen to MD law, and will happen probably within 30 days.
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Old November 21st, 2021, 09:34 PM #6
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Nobody really knows how the supreme court will rule in this case. Let's assume for the moment that they rule in favor and strike down state may issue schemes clearly. What's next? I'm asking because I'm not an attorney and would like to hear from the MSF brain trust.

1. Would all may-issue states be required to amend their laws to be shall issue? (IE state must show cause to deny VS citizens must show cause to require) or would each state need to be sued first?

2. If states are required to amend laws, what do we think they will look like? I anticipate much longer lists of disqualifying conditions, unless SCOTUS deals with what are reasonable restrictions based on text and history.
There is another case MSI v MD which is currently on hold waiting on this case with NY.

So based on the specifics of this case, is what will happen to MD law, and will happen probably within 30 days.

Also there are suits that will be for could be filed to push the issue of issuing non-resident permits or recognizing reciprocity.
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Nobody really knows how the supreme court will rule in this case. Let's assume for the moment that they rule in favor and strike down state may issue schemes clearly. What's next? I'm asking because I'm not an attorney and would like to hear from the MSF brain trust.

1. Would all may-issue states be required to amend their laws to be shall issue? (IE state must show cause to deny VS citizens must show cause to require) or would each state need to be sued first?

2. If states are required to amend laws, what do we think they will look like? I anticipate much longer lists of disqualifying conditions, unless SCOTUS deals with what are reasonable restrictions based on text and history.
Essentially yes theyíll have to go shall issue. Perhaps they donít technically need to change the law because they can simply issue permits and accept everything as good cause.
And yes I donít put it past those states to make the process incredibly onerous, even more so than now.
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New York rifle and Pistol case: what's next?

I'm pretty sure the Merry Land State Legislature will find a way to stick their claws further in "Shooters Rights"...

They may use Kenosha to point out what happens when too many people have guns in hand...

And they will further the right of Self Defense to inside of our homes only...

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I'm pretty sure the Merry Land State Legislature will find a way to stick their claws further in "Shooters Rights"...

They may use Kenosha to point out what happens when too many people have guns in hand...

And they will further the right of Self Defense to inside of our homes only...

All 8 May Issue areas will look for the loopholes that will be in the Justices Opinion just like they have with Heller and McDonald cases.

They will push it to the edge in whatever way they could.

Look at New York and NYC. Premise/purchase permits are give as shall issue without having to show dire need or good cause. Providing you have a clean bg with no criminal or mental history etcÖ and will pay huge permitting fingerprinting fees etcÖ

Many states have ownership possession permits required for even home ownership. Such as Illinois with the FOID. Even though they are issued as shall issue. Itís only if you have a clean BG void of mental, or criminal, or substance abuse issues.

Will states do the same for carry permits. Absolutely, they will eliminate good cause and go shall issue.

What they will start making it hard to do, is places you can carry.

They will ban public buildings, local parks, state parks, federal parks, they will ban possession in as many places as they can. Maybe even banning parking lot storage. Thereby making it impossible to actually go anywhere with your LTC other then in your car going down the road.

Getting the LTC will be a lot easier, more expensive, then have no where to carry it.

Look at having a Washington DC LTC. If you donít live there where can you carry it? Not in federal or public buildings. D.C. isnít very big. Most private businesses donít let you carry. So in D.C. itís basically your home and your car. You canít carry on public transportation either.

I go to D.C. often and itís not even worth me getting LTC for D.C. especially for all the hoops you have to jump through.
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On a carry permit in Maryland, Is there a requirements to specify the particular firearm you intend to carry, similar to LEOs requirement to "qualify" on a particular make and model, or can you carry whatever is comfortable?
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