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Old November 24th, 2021, 07:38 AM #31
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So you are missing deer at 120 yards, flinging shots at deer at "about" 400 and 600 yards, but have never shot your dope at those distances, or even as close as 300?
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you're making this way too complicated. Zero your gun at 100, period. All this six inches high etc stuff is just adding tolerance stacking. Get the $10 Shooter app for your phone. Chrono your load, not the fps off the box. Enter that and your bullet's ballistic coefficient and whatever else it asks for into Shooter app. That will give you drops/holds out to as far as you need. Put up targets at your range or your hunting spot, range them with your rangefinder (horizontal distance), plug in your atmospherics and see what Shooter says to hold or dial. Do that and see where you're hitting and what group sizes you are getting. If you're not hitting where you want or not getting good groups, you need to fix that before attempting to shoot deer. You should be easily under 8" groups at 400yds, if not half that. Good Luck!
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Nobody in his right mind can think going about long range rifle shooting or hunting the way he’s doing it is remotely close to the proper way. Not to mention ethically. Who knew years of training, instruction, and practical application are unnecessary, all we have to do is listen to what a SF guy does on Guns and Amoo (??)TV ? That sure makes me feel silly having spent all the time and money I have over the last 3 years to be confident enough just to (hopefully) consistently ring steel up to 1,100 yards.

With that said, I’d never try to shoot at a doe at 600 yards, that’s a mighty small target. At a long range shoot, hitting the very edge of the steel plate is still a hit and points, hit the very edge of an animal’s vitals and badly wound it or send it on a 2 mile journey never to be found by anyone other than the coyotes.

What is the upside of shooting a mere random doe at that distance? A buck of a lifetime would be tempting perhaps if the skillset was there (which clearly is not). Maybe an elk or a moose with an enormous target area, then you get into bullet performance at extended ranges as stated previously.

Long range shooting isn’t for everyone, and I suppose neither is rifle deer hunting. Combine the two and, just.....wow. This thread is unnerving, and this guy needs better friends and hunting buddies, someone to tell him “just stop, you have no clue what you’re doing”, or “what the Hell are you doing?.” How can you have access to a 1,000 yard range and not have a consistent and repeatable rifle zero? 6” high at 100 = a 300 yard zero? With a muzzleloader maybe. They really need to start putting disclaimers on these hunting and shooting TV shows.
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So you are missing deer at 120 yards, flinging shots at deer at "about" 400 and 600 yards, but have never shot your dope at those distances, or even as close as 300?
THIS. This man has forgotten more about long range shooting than most people ever learn.

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holy crap you guys need to figure your crap out. taking potshots at any animal is just not ethical. shooting at distance isn't easy peasy but certainly if you don't know your ballistics, dope, shooting form, accuracy etc it is impossible.
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I checked how the rifle shoots at 200 yards first today. It was shooting over a foot high so I went to 100 yards and brought it down to 2 inches above bulls-eye. That put the shot at bulls-eye at 200 yards. 300 yards was a little below that so I think I'm good.
Does 2Ē high at 100 yards put it at the bullseye at 200? Exactly? Or almost? Are you guessing?
You need to spend some serious time at the range with a chrono, a ballistic calculator, and a notebook and learn what youíre doing instead of guessing especially when youíre hunting.

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you're making this way too complicated. Zero your gun at 100, period. All this six inches high etc stuff is just adding tolerance stacking. Get the $10 Shooter app for your phone. Chrono your load, not the fps off the box. Enter that and your bullet's ballistic coefficient and whatever else it asks for into Shooter app. That will give you drops/holds out to as far as you need. Put up targets at your range or your hunting spot, range them with your rangefinder (horizontal distance), plug in your atmospherics and see what Shooter says to hold or dial. Do that and see where you're hitting and what group sizes you are getting. If you're not hitting where you want or not getting good groups, you need to fix that before attempting to shoot deer. You should be easily under 8" groups at 400yds, if not half that. Good Luck!
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you're making this way too complicated. Zero your gun at 100, period. All this six inches high etc stuff is just adding tolerance stacking. Get the $10 Shooter app for your phone. Chrono your load, not the fps off the box. Enter that and your bullet's ballistic coefficient and whatever else it asks for into Shooter app. That will give you drops/holds out to as far as you need. Put up targets at your range or your hunting spot, range them with your rangefinder (horizontal distance), plug in your atmospherics and see what Shooter says to hold or dial. Do that and see where you're hitting and what group sizes you are getting. If you're not hitting where you want or not getting good groups, you need to fix that before attempting to shoot deer. You should be easily under 8" groups at 400yds, if not half that. Good Luck!
Yes. That said, I personally tend to zero my rifles at 2" high at 100, which is typical zero at 200 and 6-8" low at 300 depending on the exact gun we are talking about. The one exception is my AR-10, which has a BDC so it is zeroed at 100. Also my 20" AR-15 has MOA (I know, not MIL, I live with it) marks, so it is also zeroed at 100.

But in general, I know my personal skill set is about 300yds max. I am normally only target shooting to 100. Occasionally I am practicing on a 200yd range and on a few occasions I've shot on 300 and 500yd ranges. I've done pretty well. But I wouldn't be comfortable shooting past 300 because then I'd really need to get in to knowing my dope, dialing corrections, etc.

With a BDC scope (and making sure things match up) and a laser rangefinder for the absolute right animal, I'd probably push it to 400yds or a little beyond.

But I also know shooting off hand, unless I can brace the rifle, or sit/lay down for the shot, my limit is about 100yds. Less is better (well, less is ALWAYS better for any kind of shot). But for me, ~300yds means I don't need to use a laser rangefinder or know hold overs/dial dope. I sure can't guess 212yds from 243yds. But I can sure guess "close to 300" vs "close to 200" and I usually take a laser rangefinder with me, so often I could find out the exact range. But easy enough that close to 300, I aim high on the back. Close to 200 and under, POI and POA more or less match up.

Striper69, I hope 300 (or much less) is your limit for now and I hope slinging lead was a good learning experience. But you had just mentioned slinging lead at deer at 400 and 600yds...
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Take a breath and realize these animals we hunt deserve respect. Some if not all non hunters don’t see how we can respect and hunt them but that’s how responsible, ethical people hunt. I’m only piling on because I haven’t seen you respond to any of the post about your lack of ethics. Please take the time to think about proper hunting. Read a book or three. Maybe this whole thing is new to you and you’ve received some very bad advice. I wish you the best and hope that you take all the shooting and hunting advice that this forum provides you.
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Take a breath and realize these animals we hunt deserve respect. Some if not all non hunters donít see how we can respect and hunt them but thatís how responsible, ethical people hunt. Iím only piling on because I havenít seen you respond to any of the post about your lack of ethics. Please take the time to think about proper hunting. Read a book or three. Maybe this whole thing is new to you and youíve received some very bad advice. I wish you the best and hope that you take all the shooting and hunting advice that this forum provides you.
You Maryland Dems kill me. Vote for Biden and the Commies then pile on to anything you can.

We're just hunting for food here. You guys are probably just hunting for your own gratification. Like the guys on tv who say they're donating the deer for hungry families.

Spare me...
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Enough said. I’m the farthest thing from a dem you’ll find but rather than admit your wrong you attack. Sounds like your the dem. Also making assumptions then arguing against them is 100% dem. Oh wait and playing the victim. Man I know how you voted. I still hope someone gets through to you but ride your noble “ lm just hunting for food “ bs down the road because you don’t know the first thing about hunting or long range shooting. Isn’t there a forum out your way or did you get booted from that.
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An uncorrected uphill/downhill shot will go high, because the horizontal distance isn't as great as the line-of-sight distance.
Quick question,

Or is it really that a target of the same height when viewed from an angle either it be from above or below will appear to be shorter making it way easier to overshoot?

Just say a15" target as long as it's vertical either uphill or downhill will appear to be slightly shorter for height of which, for what you see is determined by the angle it is being viewed from, than if it were to be seen from otherwise being flat.

Doesn't the target actually at around 10 degrees or so always become farther even if only very slightly dependent on range whether one is shooting uphill or downhill?
I may be misinterpreting what your saying regarding horizontal distance being different from line of sight distance?

I'm also trying figure all the other thread discussion as well at the same time so I may be a little confused following this one.
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