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Old February 13th, 2018, 02:39 AM #61
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Why are we "waiting" for the federal government to allow CCW? The United states Constitution already states that the federal government can't infringe. The fight is at the state level, currently, the MD constitution has no written right to bear arms. This is what needs to be changed. The process to amend the State Constitution needs to be studied and manipulated to suit we gun owners. Marches and demonstrations are good for morale. I have been doing them for years, but they change nothing. Change has to happen at the vocal level, look around the nation and see how groups that were in the vast minority, on certain issues, eventually won the day. We need to emulate that and exploit their tactics. Gun owners are a much larger group, in MD, than any modern niche group (LGBT as an example). This is not a knock at he LGBT group but I use them as an example as what is possible, in a short period of time, on polarizing issues. They don't merely demonstrate, they get pressure on hostile politicians, create wedge issues, and use media to sway support. Is there any possibility we could formulate such a plan?
Because Maryland is a lost cause and the only way that all law abiding citizens in Maryland will ever be allowed to carry without having to fight through Maryland's labyrinth of bs is if Uncle Sam passes national reciprocity. Even then, expect Maryland politicians to fight it tooth and nail and drag it out for years in court. I have no optimism whatsoever left for the 2A and concealed carry in Maryland for regular, law abiding citizens. Irreversible damage has already been done with FSA2013, the handgun roster, and the bs 7 day wait period. My prayers/hopes/wishes are that I can sell my house and get out of Maryland. Its a damn shame though because my wife and I live less than 10 minutes from our jobs.
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Old February 13th, 2018, 06:34 AM #62
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The 4 CA settled their view of our law in Woolard. Our only path is a SCOTUS ruling because of a circuit split or National Reciprocity.

The fight in MD is over until one of these things happen
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Reading a lot about the bill passing/not passing. Has anyone dove into it deeper? If the bill magically passes it doesn’t really help Maryland residents. You still have to get a CCW from your home state.

I see a lot of cute comments about how hard it is to get a lic in Maryland (I’m starting the process) has anyone been denied, then appealed and still been denied?
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Um, no. The House version would allow carry in MD on any permit, including non resident permits held by MD residents.

Whether it actually would happen would depend on the final version hammered out in a House Senate conference committee.

But the Senate must pass it before it even gets that far, and that is a long shot because of the 60 vote requirement.
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The 4 CA settled their view of our law in Woolard. Our only path is a SCOTUS ruling because of a circuit split or National Reciprocity.

The fight in MD is over until one of these things happen
IL and DC sure didn't get their right via the legislatures there. I can't fathom Maryland, MA, NJ being any different. Great to whip up the minority 2A people in these states, but it's still the minority.

When looking at the map progression of Shall Issue or better, what explanations are there for the contiguous small piece from MD to MA that remain resistant?
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When looking at the map progression of Shall Issue or better, what explanations are there for the contiguous small piece from MD to MA that remain resistant?
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IL and DC sure didn't get their right via the legislatures there. I can't fathom Maryland, MA, NJ being any different. Great to whip up the minority 2A people in these states, but it's still the minority.

When looking at the map progression of Shall Issue or better, what explanations are there for the contiguous small piece from MD to MA that remain resistant?
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, and use media to sway support. Is there any possibility we could formulate such a plan?
media support for gun rights, LOL! Don't think that is going to happen. When was the last time you saw a positive story about guns on TV, like a gun owner protecting their life with their firearm?? Heck, when the Texas shooting happened and the guy with the AR next door came and stopped it and chased the guy, and Joe Biden said that that guy should not have been able to own that AR, I didn't hear the media defending gun rights! If you can't hear it then, when a hero saved lives, you aren't going to hear it!
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media support for gun rights, LOL! Don't think that is going to happen. When was the last time you saw a positive story about guns on TV, like a gun owner protecting their life with their firearm?? Heck, when the Texas shooting happened and the guy with the AR next door came and stopped it and chased the guy, and Joe Biden said that that guy should not have been able to own that AR, I didn't hear the media defending gun rights! If you can't hear it then, when a hero saved lives, you aren't going to hear it!
Neighbor and I were on opposite sides politically and would typically converse on Government economic and foreign policy. Very smart (and wealthy) guy and could defend his points very well, not the typical "feelings" go to. We'd drink together etc. One day he brings up firearms, I recall it was after a notable incident. Firearms had never come up in years. He starts on the AR-15. I noted to him, I have two. He was visibly shaken. His first words were something to the effect, " omg, all I needed to know, there are AR-15's right across the street from me! He then saved himself and said, well I guess maybe you having them doesn't worry me too much, LOL

I then told him, well you'd be really concerned if you walked in to a basement a block away from us, it's full of automatic rifles. Then had to explain yes, you can buy those.
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I understand the skepticism, and I ask that y'all understand that I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. We have tried tactic after tactic, election after election to get our rights back; the only thing that has changed is my age and appearance. When a plan isn't working, a change must be made. In the past I have seen state constitutional amendments put on a ballot proposition for the electorate. Is such a thing possible for an amendment to the right to keep and bear in the state of MD? Throw ideas out there, don't be skeptical ahead of time. We are conditioned to beg for our rights back, it is understandable that the cynic in we all is dominant for subjects like this; but look at what progressives have accomplished with their tactics. If they can change a whole country's mindset in less than 10 years, so can we. FYI, the media weren't always on their side either.
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