I was just pointing out that because of the omission of plain "carry" in the statute, it then allows drinking while OC. Stupid for sure but seems legal.
Of course you know IANAL.
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Of course you know IANAL.
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
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Right, that's the context for the quote. But, IMHO, drinking and carrying are fundamentally incompatible regardless of mode of carry. If I need to deploy deadly force to protect myself or my loved ones, the last thing I need is to have my judgment or reaction time the least bit impaired. And even one drink will do so. http://alcoholism.about.com/library/weekly/aa021109a.htm
fightinbluhen51
"Quack Pot Call Honker"
- Oct 31, 2008
- 8,974
Yet any law enforcement officer, FBI/Federal sworn officer is exempt by that same law. Not saying it is right or wrong...and agree that I do follow that law as well.
Cyndi59
Active Member
I think the restuarant point is as lame as the bag tax,no matter what..some will just throw the bag on the ground which is why we have litter.Then I could just see metal detectors inside the door to our favorite places to eat.Just because a eatery sells drinks,a simple stamp or icon on your DL you would be denied a drink..beinging it carrying or not,or as you would a bar..be issued a colored wrist band.Maryland taxes restuarants as is and the smaller ones would fold due to lack of diners.If I'm wearing a short skirt with a thigh holster and see a "no guns" sign,I would think my money is not needed and find one that excepts legal ccw or just venture over to Virginia where my money is excepted.Maryland might not lose money in the restuarants since gambling is the new money cow since the red light and speed cameras are drying up.Other things in the SB bill only a bunch of no life wanks with nothing more than hopes they get re-elected to office would come up with.Maryland should look at other ccw states and compare their statues and come up with true reasonable rules that all could live by.
YEPPERS,, this bill WILL put more guns in the hands of bad guys.
That's where the phrase "VA Tuck" comes from. Before VA changed the statute 2 years ago the only legal carry at all into an establishment that served alcohol was to "tuck" your shirt behind you pistol so as to be OC.
I did this whenever I was out in Old Town or Arlington. Glad they fixed it.
The statute was then changed to allow CC but no imbibing while concealed. Some how OC was not addressed.
Cyndi59
Active Member
Guns don't kill people,,, Daddy's with daughters do.(LMAO)
GNLaFrance
RIP
I just got these emails from Sen. James Brochin and Sen. Norman Stone's assistant:
Hey Guy,
I agree with you. The bill is not getting out of the drawer and is dead.
Jim
and
I have not seen a SB 21 or any legislation like this. Only SB 1 & SB 2 on gaming & dogs are listed on the Maryland General Assembly at the top of the page on the special session information on bills. Anyway, Senator Stone is for the right to carry.
JoAnne, Legislative Assistant
Hey Guy,
I agree with you. The bill is not getting out of the drawer and is dead.
Jim
and
I have not seen a SB 21 or any legislation like this. Only SB 1 & SB 2 on gaming & dogs are listed on the Maryland General Assembly at the top of the page on the special session information on bills. Anyway, Senator Stone is for the right to carry.
JoAnne, Legislative Assistant
BenL
John Galt Speaking.
Even if it weren't the law, it's still simply not a good idea.
When it comes to alcohol, I have a hard, fast rule: no guns, no motorcycles. Period. If I'm having a drink, I won't even clean my guns.
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
- 7,408
Agree completely.
Blacksmith101
Grumpy Old Man
- Jun 22, 2012
- 22,263
The last thing you want is to be involved in a shooting and have any alcohol in your system. If you become involved in any legal proceedings that would become a very big issue even ONE beer.
Blacksmith101
Blacksmith101
Mooseman
R.I.P.- Hooligan #4
I do not like the text of the bill, but it is not as bad as I thought it would be.
Elliotte
Ultimate Member
Close, as best I can tell, it only applies to those with a concealed carry permit (whether you're OCing or CCing). J3 you quoted only applies to drinking in a club or restaurant, but if you scroll up a bit to J1, it says "Any person permitted to carry a concealed handgun, who is under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs while carrying such handgun in a public place, shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor." There's no mention of open carry, and it only applies to being out in public, but in this one instance those that don't have a CC permit have more rights it appears.
Not that I advocate mixing alcohol and firearms
Guys seriously hop the hell off the no alcohol while carrying train. There has been no state to date that has had any problems with allowing drinking while carrying. Why? Because people who CCW have the common sense to know not to get ****ed up while carrying.
Remember that if you give antis an inch, they take a mile. You think you're being reasonable and tell the antis that you're willing to give up carrying while having one drink? That ain't good enough for them. They will push for more - no carrying at all when you're in an establishment that serves alcohol even if you're not drinking.
You guys have it all backwards. Dont offer to give up ANY ground unless you absolutely have to. By the way, please remember that Gerald Ung had been drinking prior to shooting the gang of morons who attacked him. He did everything reasonably possible to diffuse the situation and had huge restraint up until he had no choice.
Remember that if you give antis an inch, they take a mile. You think you're being reasonable and tell the antis that you're willing to give up carrying while having one drink? That ain't good enough for them. They will push for more - no carrying at all when you're in an establishment that serves alcohol even if you're not drinking.
You guys have it all backwards. Dont offer to give up ANY ground unless you absolutely have to. By the way, please remember that Gerald Ung had been drinking prior to shooting the gang of morons who attacked him. He did everything reasonably possible to diffuse the situation and had huge restraint up until he had no choice.
fightinbluhen51
"Quack Pot Call Honker"
- Oct 31, 2008
- 8,974
Thanks for pointing out Ung...I had forgotten about him.
Straightshooter
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Having alcohol in your system would be bad, but having someone else's lead in your system would be much worse.
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Mrhyde
Capitalist-Pig
I tend to agree. I personally don't touch my firearms if I've had a sip.
But I also agree that law abiding people using common sense can make their own good decisions.
I'm not willing to give up any ground at all while we have such momentum in our favor. Let the opposition give up their ground. Not ours.
But I also agree that law abiding people using common sense can make their own good decisions.
I'm not willing to give up any ground at all while we have such momentum in our favor. Let the opposition give up their ground. Not ours.
esqappellate
President, MSI
- Feb 12, 2012
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Walter, with all due respect, we may have to agree to disagree on this point. I am perfectly comfortable with the VA rule. I am not offering it, but I am not going to self-immolate over it if MD imposes the same rule as VA. BTW, NC has the same rule as would be imposed by SB21 -- no carrying at all in bars and that is far worse than VA. As to Ung, he was acquitted and good for him. Even a complete drunk is entitled to self defense -- he is just less able to pull it off successfully than he would have been if he had been cold sober.
CypherPunk
Opinions Are My Own
- Apr 6, 2012
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How can you get a 'same day' permit for 'urgent needs' (Ganslers brief) if you have to wait 6 months or more for training?
I'm sure they will forgo the training requirement if someone needs the permit ASAP for imminent danger. Just like now, if circumstances are right they will issue you a permit the same day, and I bet they don't call your references.
