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Old May 18th, 2019, 07:32 PM #1
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Russian Dragunov C&R?

Hi all, this is my first thread but if I have a C&R license, can I legally obtain the Dragunov that's russian-made? (I know the Chinese one is banned as it's named.) I am disregarding the fact that it's very pricey & trying to understand it's legallity as long as it's over 50 years old which some are, right?
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Hi all, this is my first thread but if I have a C&R license, can I legally obtain the Dragunov that's russian-made? (I know the Chinese one is banned as it's named.) I am disregarding the fact that it's very pricey & trying to understand it's legallity as long as it's over 50 years old which some are, right?
did you look at the ATF's list? It lists the "Russian (U.S.S.R.), Dragunov, semiautomatic rifle, Model SVD, cal. 7.62 x 54R, of Soviet
manufacture, Soviet military issue only"

So technically if you could find an original military issue and not a later version it would qualify as C&R federally, idk about maryland legality, but my understanding is that these were never really imported. There might be a few out there somewhere but a search on gunbroker didn't turn up any. So its past very pricey, it appears to be unobtainium.
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did you look at the ATF's list? It lists the "Russian (U.S.S.R.), Dragunov, semiautomatic rifle, Model SVD, cal. 7.62 x 54R, of Soviet
manufacture, Soviet military issue only"

So technically if you could find an original military issue and not a later version it would qualify as C&R federally, idk about maryland legality, but my understanding is that these were never really imported. There might be a few out there somewhere but a search on gunbroker didn't turn up any. So its past very pricey, it appears to be unobtainium.
You can find Tigrs (commercial variant) on GB, but they won't actually hit C&R status until next year. The only commercial variant right now that you could buy would be a Medved (Bear) but they are extremely rare. Even then, I'd double-check with MSP to make sure that they're not enumerated. Online it says that the Dragunov is banned, but it mentions China as the manufacturer, not the USSR or Izmash. Likely a typo, but who knows.
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Now, if you're not going to disappear, go to the Introductions forum to introduce yourself to everyone. Then check out the C & R Forum which will answer most of your questions or show you where to find the answers, and teach you much about being a FFL 03 licensee.

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Banned in MD. C&R isn't a ban exemption.
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The exact wording under Firearm Search subheading "Dragunov"
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Dragunov Chinese made semi-auto
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Is specifically says "Chinese made" when talking about the rifle. In my opinion, not banned. Of course you can be stupid, push the issue and call the MSP so that they can make things up on the fly and screw everyone. To channel the spirit of Sun Tsu, Do not help the enemy use his tools against you. Rather, use the enemy's own tools against him.
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You are correct, there is no such thing as a Chinese Dragunov. Pretty sure the NDM is a copy of the SVD and you will not find a FFL in MD willing to make the submission.
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Probably a better idea to get a VEPR made into as close of a clone as possible for 1/6 the money. It should be legal.
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So technically if you could find an original military issue and not a later version it would qualify as C&R federally, idk about maryland legality, but my understanding is that these were never really imported. There might be a few out there somewhere but a search on gunbroker didn't turn up any. So its past very pricey, it appears to be unobtainium.
I haven't heard of any commercial imports of surplus ones, but there are a handful of Soviet era, military SVDs that made it into the country as bringbacks, both papered and unpapered. The Army released 14 of them after Desert Storm. One of them sold on Gunbroker with papers back in 2010 for $15k. Someone on Gunboards said they had a Vietnam bringback SVD with papers that they originally purchased in 1984 for $5k and they saw more at the time.

KBI imported 100 actual SVDs, but they were brand new 1994 production from the Russian Federation, not Soviet manufacture or Soviet military surplus.
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There is some debate but it is generally accepted that the KBI ones fall under the Federal C&R laws too. If you have a C&R, you do not need to have a Russian/Soviet SVD imported before 1995 go through a marylifornia FFL; it can be shipped straight to your house. A Tigr must go through an FFL. Believe it or not, there is no US ban on Russian made SVD's or Tigr's. The problem is that the Russians won't sell them to us.
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