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Old May 18th, 2019, 08:11 PM #11
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I remember out conversation on the Valkyrie. I hope that and the Nosler don't end up as some wildcat offshoot like the Neanderthal. CAnnot use normal 6.8 brass for the Nosler, although I need 6.8 mags. Have to have Nosler 6.8. I feel the Grendel will end up being more future proof.

Saw that a guy came up with a 6.0 Grendel with necked 6.5 case and .243 booletz. Not really up to speed on the Grendel but seeing the 6.0CM I looked to see if there was a 6.0G


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Thought a real long time about building a 6 mm AR , Yes the 6 mm AR can shoot a hair further and with a little less drift but it does not carry the energy the Grendel does l At 1,000 yds a 130 RDF retains 619 ft lbs of energy. A 6 mm AR shooting a 115 gr VLD hunter has 514 ft lbs.

With a 10 mph 90 EDG wind 300 yd zero, Grendel with 130 RDF has 7.7 mils drop 1.81 mils drift. The 6mm AR out of with a 115 gr VLD same data 7.9 mils drop 1.93 mils drift. 24Ē Grendel vs 22Ē 6 mm AR. So I just stuck with the Grendel. Actually my chambering is 264 LBC. A Less Baer Custom 6.5 Grendel with a different throat.


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There are a plethora of Wildcats that are very capable.

The .220 Thunderbolt stomps over both .22Nosler, and .22Valkyre .

The weak link is availability of Hagar brass ( bassed off of .30Remington ) . At the moment is available, but there are long dry spells between batches .

The .240 Tomahawk ( using 6.8 brass) come close to the 6mmHagar .
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Bigfoot44, did not know about the ones of which you spoke. Cool. Thanks
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Just built an AR in 223 WYLDE and an extra upper in 6.5 Grendel.
Have not fired it yet but building another with a 24 inch barrel.
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I was all in on the Valkyrie at first. Then started seeing vids on cutting faces on 5.56 mags to extend OAL of ammo, and the problems that arise from that, I'm back on the Grendel bandwagon...for now.
Come to the dark side, 6.5 grendel has cookies.

I love my 18Ē 6.5 grendel hunting build.

.224V can our range grendel by a slight bit 90gr vs 123gr. But 130yr grendel edges out 90gr Valkyrie slightly IIRC. For wind drift, even 123gr grendel is a fair amount better than 90gr Valkyrie.

For hunting, better sound channel and more energy at all distances for grendel.

Also from all that Iíve seen 6.5 grendel cases have significantly more life and easier to reload for compared to Valkyrie. Lastly much better barrel life for grendel.

I want to like Valkyrie, but I just donít see it doing much, much better than Grendel and grendel is certainly superior in many ways.
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Yep that pretty much the story which Is why I went with a second 6.5 Grendel. My first is a 20Ē my second is a 24Ē barrel which has yet to come.

The biggest advantage for the Grendel is reloading and hunting. With the right bullet (high BC) say a 130 RDF at 600yds you are still carrying 1,055 ft lbs. the Valkyrie only 619 ft lbs. At 1,000 yds drift in mils is 1.81 for the Grendel and 2.34 for the Valkyrie with 90 gr SMK. They both go transonic around 1,250 yds. So while the Valkyrie is a great long range cartridge as far as versatility, easy of loading Grendel wins hands down


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Oops my bad the Valkyrie using 90 gr goes transonic at 1,025 yds. which is 110 yds before the Grendel with the 130 RDF. I did find a 88 gr Hornady ELD Match. It goes transonic at 1,100 from the Valkyrie. So hands down Grendel with the right bullet wins. Iíve also thought of using Warner tool 121 gr flatlines which show they could achieve 1,300 yds if I can get 2725 FPS at muzzle but the bullet is long and with. 1*8 twist it would only offer marginal stability. So the BC would degrade and there is just not advantage for cost.


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Come to the dark side, 6.5 grendel has cookies.

I love my 18Ē 6.5 grendel hunting build.

.224V can our range grendel by a slight bit 90gr vs 123gr. But 130yr grendel edges out 90gr Valkyrie slightly IIRC. For wind drift, even 123gr grendel is a fair amount better than 90gr Valkyrie.

For hunting, better sound channel and more energy at all distances for grendel.

Also from all that Iíve seen 6.5 grendel cases have significantly more life and easier to reload for compared to Valkyrie. Lastly much better barrel life for grendel.

I want to like Valkyrie, but I just donít see it doing much, much better than Grendel and grendel is certainly superior in many ways.
Are you happy with an 18" barrel or do you wish you had gone to 20"? I have read that for longer ranges, 6.5 Grendel reaches its full potential with a 20" barrel. I have a 6.5 Grendel but don't really shoot long range so I went with an 18". Still - a 20" barrel is not that much heavier and the long range range potential is there if you ever need it.
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Are you happy with an 18" barrel or do you wish you had gone to 20"? I have read that for longer ranges, 6.5 Grendel reaches its full potential with a 20" barrel. I have a 6.5 Grendel but don't really shoot long range so I went with an 18". Still - a 20" barrel is not that much heavier and the long range range potential is there if you ever need it.
18Ē for 123gr ELD-M should still be 1000yd capable so long as it isnít a humid day at sea level. Itís a difference of like 40-50fps. Nothing to sneeze at and useful/needed if you are shooting long range. Even at 600yds it makes a big difference. If it is a hunting rifle that maybe a couple of times youíll take it to a range with 500 or 600yd targets, go 18Ē. Handier more than the reduced weight.
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