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Old April 27th, 2021, 10:31 PM #51
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Private property. Check. OK. If they don't want you carrying, I guess it is their right.

BUT...

It seems to me that if they disarm everyone coming in, they are then accepting responsibility for everyone's safety.

This is the paradox, of course. You don't need a gun, because that is the roll of the police. Except the police have no responsibility to protect you, even if they happen to be around when you need them most. It seems to me to be the highest level of unfairness to require you to remove your best tool for self protection, while at the same time providing no guarantees that they will take over that burden. Unfair. Unjust. Unreasonable. And just plain stupid. No less so when it is a private business instead of a government dictate.

I don't have a carry permit. IF I did, I'd just carry and damn the hurt feelings of strangers who care nothing of my own safety. Hell, I have considered just exercising my natural, God given, constitutional rights even without a permission slip. I'm only stopped because I am more concerned about what our tyrannical overlords can do to me, than I am about those that dwell in the shadows. I do re-evaluate that periodically. I am not happy at being forced to make such a decision. In fact, it makes me damned angry.
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Old April 29th, 2021, 04:28 PM #52
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"I don't have a carry permit. IF I did, I'd just carry and damn the hurt feelings of strangers who care nothing of my own safety. Hell, I have considered just exercising my natural, God given, constitutional rights even without a permission slip. I'm only stopped because I am more concerned about what our tyrannical overlords can do to me, than I am about those that dwell in the shadows. I do re-evaluate that periodically. I am not happy at being forced to make such a decision. In fact, it makes me damned angry."

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Old April 29th, 2021, 05:41 PM #53
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Went last night at 8p to get a Cinnabon- the first time in ? years...

Looked like a ghost town. Got home to find out closes at 7p.

Bought Monkey Bread at Harris Teeter instead.

I guess it'll be ? years before I go over there again.
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Private property. Check. OK. If they don't want you carrying, I guess it is their right.

BUT...

It seems to me that if they disarm everyone coming in, they are then accepting responsibility for everyone's safety.

This is the paradox, of course. You don't need a gun, because that is the roll of the police. Except the police have no responsibility to protect you, even if they happen to be around when you need them most. It seems to me to be the highest level of unfairness to require you to remove your best tool for self protection, while at the same time providing no guarantees that they will take over that burden. Unfair. Unjust. Unreasonable. And just plain stupid. No less so when it is a private business instead of a government dictate.

I don't have a carry permit. IF I did, I'd just carry and damn the hurt feelings of strangers who care nothing of my own safety. Hell, I have considered just exercising my natural, God given, constitutional rights even without a permission slip. I'm only stopped because I am more concerned about what our tyrannical overlords can do to me, than I am about those that dwell in the shadows. I do re-evaluate that periodically. I am not happy at being forced to make such a decision. In fact, it makes me damned angry.
You might well be able to make an argument that if they are prohibiting legal wear and carry permit holders from carrying and one were injured or killed and the mall property owners haven't taken reasonable steps to prevent other people from being armed, that then makes them legally liable.

Example, a few unarmed security guards isn't credible protection in the event of an armed assailant if they are telling legal carries to disarm. Now if they've got metal detectors and a few armed security guards at the entrance and wanding people down and inspecting bags, that to me seems like they've done a creditable job in protecting people if they also want to insist that W&C permit holders also do not carry on to their property/in the building.

That to me is the standard personally. Court houses, museums, etc. where they are doing bag searches and walking through metal detectors with at least a few armed guards manning it (and possible some armed or un-armed roving patrols in the building) posting no firearms signs/enforcing that seems entirely reasonable.

Would I think I should still be armed, yeah sure, but hey, they ARE making good faith efforts to protect everyone.
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I grew up with Springfield Mall as my #1 mall hangout in the 80's, Landmark Mall as my #2 and Potomac Mills as my #3. Used to hit up Time Out 1 and 2 Arcades for fun, Taco Laredo or Pizza Delite for sicilian pies and Mexican Munchies, and Herman's or Sports Authority for my Sporting Goods. Bought my Dunlop racquets at Springfield Mall, my Timberlands at Landmark and my Glock 20 gen2 at Potomac Mills. Wouldn't set a foot in any of them these days, though, as I recall roving bands of hoodlums harassing girls and old people had invaded them by even 20 years ago.
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Stopped in at "Westfield Montgomery" yesterday (it will always be "Montgomery Mall" to me) to use the odd new "Amazon Four Star" store to return a mis-shipment I wasn't in the mood to package up and ship back. They'll take the product as-is, out of a box, scan the QR code off your phone from the return confirmation email sent my Amazon, and it's done. Yes, the store has stuff for sale ... but it's more of a customer service point of presence. A services-provided sorta thing, as an auxiliary to the ubiquitous residential Amazon delivery.

This is where malls are going: services. That mall (Montgomery) is now FULL of massage, hair, nail, and "lash!" salons - all services - and of course continues to sell food from food-court-grade to marginal sit-down quality. The Apple and Microsoft stores seem to continue to work, much like the Amazon store and for a lot of the same reasons. The more traditional mall fare is definitely fading away. While we were there, Mrs Occam stopped into Nordstrom and grabbed some sort of cosmetic potion over the counter ... and realized it was the first time she'd done that in close to two years. Used to be a regular thing, but now she just has stuff shipped, and the suppliers load up her shipment with all sorts of extras to keep her coming back. The OTC cosmetic sales operations have a big uphill battle there, but still win the "gotta have something on my way to the dinner out" convenience sales, for now.

That mall (in a prosperous, low-crime area) is clearly in change-or-die mode. The COVID thing has just put the nail in the coffin of the newly built state of the art Arclight movie complex there, which cost millions and millions to build out. Arclight says there's no recovering from the losses. I'll miss that place - they had a full bar in the lobby, and you could take your drinks into the theaters. This economy has been seriously whipsawed. Guess it's time to finally buy that 80" screen and stream the newer movies we want to watch. The studios seem to be figuring that out, too.
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FYI this will also be occurring at Towsontown Center and White Marsh Mall. It has shit show written all over it.
Towson has had 'Gunbuster' signs up for several years.

I'm just glad I never have to go into any mall anymore, if I don't want to.
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Go shoot your gun, rub the muzzle on your pants, maybe run a patch through it and do the same and then go looking for the dog. If he alerts and they 1, through you out, 2, have you searched or 3, have you arrested, thank God because you have hit lawsuit lottery.
LOL...

The Missus went into her school on a Monday several years ago, and the building supervisor commented, "You went to the range yesterday."

She was baffled how he knew. She had her purse with her, and he (being a former Marine) could smell the GSR on it.

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I was in the mall Sunday with my wife and son , carrying a hunk of iron in the .45 caliber variety . Don't ask don't tell , i don't give two "F's" what they say or what they write down .


I go to the malls because my son loves to walk around the malls and we pick up lunch or dinner . I do it for my son .
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Saw this recently and sent an email to the mall asking if people with permits are allowed to carry while at the mall. Here is the reply I got.

Thank you for contacting us ahead of time in regards to your question!

Regardless of what state the permit is from, NO weapons are allowed at the Columbia Mall premises.

We sincerely appreciate you being a responsible gun owner and that you checked with us before your trip the our mall!

Have a wonderful day!

I then replied that I, as a responsible gun owner, am not the one the mall needs to be concerned about.

Never liked that place anyway.
Guess that I have broken their rules. MANY times actually.....
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