Surplus Garand Food

herkybird72 · Dec 31, 2018

J&G has surplus garand food.

https://www.jgsales.com/30-06-danish-surplus-148gr-fmj-ammo,-1960s-ama-mfg,-100rds.-p-102796.html

Matlack · Dec 31, 2018

Is this any good. I can't remember off the top of my head if it is.

lazarus · Dec 31, 2018

Shipping’s expensive from them ($20).

Depending on how much you are looking to get, SGA or Outdoor limiter is cheaper. $13 per 20 for new PPU M2 Ball and shipping is $11-12.

Break even when factoring shipping was ordering 200 rounds of the Danish ammo from J&G. So 300 round order to save a little bit of money.

j8064 · Dec 31, 2018

To feed your Garands? Y'all can jump on all the $0.80 each (delivered) Danish ammo in non-re-loadable Berdan primed cases you want. Is it corrosive? Who really knows...

As for me?

Ill finish reloading all the Greek HXP cases from 4570 and my trip to the CMP last August. They were on my reloading bench today. My bet is I'll have the ammo box filled for < $ 0.50 per round. And they will shoot better than surplus ammo...

:innocent0

Doco Overboard · Dec 31, 2018

Thanks for posting. Being the Garand was never designed to be used with commercial ammo or even reloads for that matter this may seem attractive to some shooters who are not hand loaders and just want to enjoy their rifles.

buellsfurn · Dec 31, 2018

crap tons of it at this past Chantilly show when i'm in the need can't find it when i dont need it i can find it.

Rockzilla · Jan 1, 2019

j8064 said:
To feed your Garands? Y'all can jump on all the $0.80 each (delivered) Danish ammo in non-re-loadable Berdan primed cases you want. Is it corrosive? Who really knows...

As for me?

Ill finish reloading all the Greek HXP cases from 4570 and my trip to the CMP last August. They were on my reloading bench today. My bet is I'll have the ammo box filled for < $ 0.50 per round. And they will shoot better than surplus ammo...

I'm with you...but don't have any greek brass, hopped on all the LC-69
Demil 06 that Wideners had when Frank owned it. 150gr. / 155gr / 168gr
bullets.

may shoot that in a clunker but...

-Rock

Blacksmith101 · Jan 2, 2019

J&G sure is pricey on En-Bloc clips, $4.95 each
https://www.jgsales.com/m1-garand-3....html?osCsid=997e0f4394dfc27c0e3cb27236a2ba68

CMP sells them $21.00 per package of 25 ($0.84 ea)
https://estore.thecmp.org/Catalog/Item/PC014

lazarus · Jan 2, 2019

For you Garand reloaders, how “perfect” does the brass need to be? I was looking it over and 3 or 4 cases out of the 32 I shot have the rim dented. I can post pics. It is a very shallow and small dent, just wondering. Maybe .02-.04” deep and 3x that wide. Looks kind of like the case spun out and the rim smacked the receiver (I have about as many where it is the case mouth bent in visibly, but only a tiny amount).

I am planning to reload for my Garand as soon as I am “allowed to” (don’t ask). I have a Layman turret press, but no .30-06 dies yet.

Blacksmith101 · Jan 3, 2019

lazarus said:
For you Garand reloaders, how “perfect” does the brass need to be? I was looking it over and 3 or 4 cases out of the 32 I shot have the rim dented. I can post pics. It is a very shallow and small dent, just wondering. Maybe .02-.04” deep and 3x that wide. Looks kind of like the case spun out and the rim smacked the receiver (I have about as many where it is the case mouth bent in visibly, but only a tiny amount).

I am planning to reload for my Garand as soon as I am “allowed to” (don’t ask). I have a Layman turret press, but no .30-06 dies yet.

These videos in slow motion will give you an idea why cases get dented:
https://www.gulfcoastgunforum.com/showthread.php?22361-M1-Garand-in-slow-motion-(gif-heavy)

Pinecone · Jan 3, 2019

Dents are OK.

Creases are not so OK. I would not worry so much in the neck area, but the shoulder or body, to me, creases are a no-no.

paxfish · Jan 4, 2019

I don't get dents in the cases, but I throw a fairly light load. 46 gr 4895 behind a 155 SMK. It always cycles, and is very accurate in my Garand. I'm not sure if the two are related - it might just be the way my rifle throws them.

I always Full Length resize, and get many, many loadings out of a case.

Rockzilla · Jan 4, 2019

Depending on the amount of "damage" to the rim
case mouths don't really worry about.
Dents depending how severe, gouges or almost
like it is gonna dig a hole in the side then no.
If you have ever reloaded for a "HK" type rifle
you will know what "dents" are, rims bent, and
the "flutes", still reload them to a point, a little
more effort to resize but do-able. None of the
Garands I have tear the rims up, a dent maybe.
But using LC brass.

-Rock

Melnic · Jan 4, 2019

I follow the NRA formula on Master Po’s site for the 149gr bullet

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Rockzilla · Jan 4, 2019

Melnic said:
I follow the NRA formula on Master Po’s site for the 149gr bullet

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great site... great info

as K-43 stated below save the pages

saved the pages as PDF files..here..

-Rock

K-43 · Jan 4, 2019

Everyone might want to copy the data at Master Po's. The webhost has gotten really iffy and often doesn't work.
Master Po used to post in one of the other forums. He's a High Master competitor and at least 10 years ago stated he wasn't going to update or maintain the website anymore. He was too busy with other stuff.
It's still available in the web archives: http://web.archive.org/web/20000620055732/home.att.net/~Masterpo/M1load.htm
Save it before it disappears.

lazarus · Jan 5, 2019

Rockzilla said:
Depending on the amount of "damage" to the rim
case mouths don't really worry about.
Dents depending how severe, gouges or almost
like it is gonna dig a hole in the side then no.
If you have ever reloaded for a "HK" type rifle
you will know what "dents" are, rims bent, and
the "flutes", still reload them to a point, a little
more effort to resize but do-able. None of the
Garands I have tear the rims up, a dent maybe.
But using LC brass.

-Rock

Yeah, I wouldn’t say the rim is gouged or torn. More like a very noticeable dent on the edge. It and the case mouth dents on some brass I am sure is from where the case is spinning out and smashing in to the receiver.

Out of curiosity, anyone use a porter gas plug? Not the schuster one, but the porter one. Not really planning to use commercial (non-M2) ammo in my Garand. Again, if I hunt with it I’ll go with reloading my own soft point ammo. From everything I’ve read and seen, the Garand is seriously over gassed for reliability. I am thinking taking it down a notch helps longevity and softens recoil a hair. Maybe might make the brass stay in better shape also.

I’d prefer not to vent a bunch of gas out the end from a schuster plug.

Thoughts? Not worth spending the money on one? Might as well?

Trumpet · Jan 5, 2019

The Danish ammo is great stuff. I have a couple cases..

Doco Overboard · Jan 5, 2019

lazarus said:
Yeah, I wouldn’t say the rim is gouged or torn. More like a very noticeable dent on the edge. It and the case mouth dents on some brass I am sure is from where the case is spinning out and smashing in to the receiver.

Out of curiosity, anyone use a porter gas plug? Not the schuster one, but the porter one. Not really planning to use commercial (non-M2) ammo in my Garand. Again, if I hunt with it I’ll go with reloading my own soft point ammo. From everything I’ve read and seen, the Garand is seriously over gassed for reliability. I am thinking taking it down a notch helps longevity and softens recoil a hair. Maybe might make the brass stay in better shape also.

I’d prefer not to vent a bunch of gas out the end from a schuster plug.

Thoughts? Not worth spending the money on one? Might as well?

M1's are hard on brass just due to the nature of the design. I never really thought of a Garand as being over gassed. Age of the rifles and the use the majority of them have seen. Worn gas cylinders, poor gas cylinder fit to barrels, out of spec or near op rod tips and eroded barrel ports add up over time. Not to mention loose gas cylinder plugs or cracked dirty poppet valve surfaces.
I would strip the bolt and inspect the extractor and ejector spring to make sure they are not sticky and then thoroughly clean the chamber with a ratchet type brush. Then determine if chamber walls are pitted, scored or subject to some other anomaly. Same thing with the receiving surfaces on the bolt.

Different types and lots off ammo may exhibit different characteristics regarding spent brass when you inspect it. When you become more familiar with your rifle and have the opportunity to compare the components to other examples you will begin to identify other wear characteristics.

I suspect worn or recently swapped parts on the bolt camming and extraction surfaces on the bolt, receiver, and op rod could alter the extent of bent or torn rims to some degree. Bent case mouths you can just straighten with a dowel or pulled bullet when you inspect your brass.

After a thorough inspection and performing good basic maintenance to the rifles components I would consider at the very least replacing the op-rod spring before worrying about a ported gas plug, that can be done later on if you prefer and even then you'll more than likely gravitate back to an issue one once you start loading.

lazarus · Jan 6, 2019

Doco Overboard said:
M1's are hard on brass just due to the nature of the design. I never really thought of a Garand as being over gassed. Age of the rifles and the use the majority of them have seen. Worn gas cylinders, poor gas cylinder fit to barrels, out of spec or near op rod tips and eroded barrel ports add up over time. Not to mention loose gas cylinder plugs or cracked dirty poppet valve surfaces.
I would strip the bolt and inspect the extractor and ejector spring to make sure they are not sticky and then thoroughly clean the chamber with a ratchet type brush. Then determine if chamber walls are pitted, scored or subject to some other anomaly. Same thing with the receiving surfaces on the bolt.

Different types and lots off ammo may exhibit different characteristics regarding spent brass when you inspect it. When you become more familiar with your rifle and have the opportunity to compare the components to other examples you will begin to identify other wear characteristics.

I suspect worn or recently swapped parts on the bolt camming and extraction surfaces on the bolt, receiver, and op rod could alter the extent of bent or torn rims to some degree. Bent case mouths you can just straighten with a dowel or pulled bullet when you inspect your brass.

After a thorough inspection and performing good basic maintenance to the rifles components I would consider at the very least replacing the op-rod spring before worrying about a ported gas plug, that can be done later on if you prefer and even then you'll more than likely gravitate back to an issue one once you start loading.

Thanks! I did replace the op rod spring before shooting it the first time. Fulton armory spring.

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